The Pre-tribulation Rapture Myth

This study will look at what the Word of God says about the rapture (catching up of the saints), as too many people speculate about the meaning of verses, while the Bible is very straight-forward about the sequence of events.

The 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled on time, after the 69th week, when Messiah confirmed the Everlasting New Covenant with His blood sacrifice. He and His disciples offered the Gospel to the Jews for 7 years, after which it was also offered to the Gentiles.  So it can’t be a future 7-year tribulation period, which invalidates the concept of a pre-tribulation rapture.  To read a Bible study that proves this, click on
70 Weeks Of Daniel Deception

In Matthew 28:18-20, Messiah said He would be with us unto the end of the world, not just until a pre-trib rapture.

And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.”

In John 6:40, 44 and 54, Messiah repeatedly tells us that He will raise up the dead at the last day.

And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

1 Thessalonians 5:2 says that the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night to those who are in spiritual darkness

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.”

Then verses 4-6 say “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.”

If we are abiding in Messiah’s light, then we won’t be caught by surprise.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 says that the dead shall rise at the last trumpet

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

The followers of Messiah who are alive when Jesus returns, will be changed AFTER the dead rise, at the END.

Revelation 11:15, “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.”

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 tells us the rapture won’t be secret and that we’ll be ‘caught up’ after the dead rise first.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

This is the same ‘not so secret’ event as Matthew 24:29-31, where the dead rise first, then the alive saints.

In John 16:33, Messiah told us we would have tribulation, “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”

Paul tells us in I Thessalonians 5:9, to be sober in waiting for the return of Messiah, but we will not face His wrath.

But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation.  For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”

So the Bible is telling us that people in the end of time will go through tribulation and will face the beast system. At the end, the dead will rise and then the living elect will be caught up in the air to meet Messiah.

Then His wrath will be poured out on the Earth to judge those who have rejected Him.

Messiah will come for His bride on the Feast of the Trumpets.

God gave the Israelites seven feasts to celebrate, all which pointed to the promised Messiah. Messiah has fulfilled four of the feasts, such as when He died as the Passover lamb, in exact detail at the precise time.

The next feast to be fulfilled is the Feast of Trumpets, which represents Jesus return for His bride.

Knowing that Messiah is exact in His fulfillment of prophecy, and knowing that the Feast of Trumpets represents Jesus return for His bride, we know the context of Jesus return.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
1 Corinthians 15:51-52

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Is it not logical that Messiah will return during the Feast of Trumpets?

10 days after the Feast of Trumpets is the Feast of Atonement, when Christ will judge His Church.

15 days after the Feast of Trumpets is the Feast of Tabernacles, when we will celebrate the wedding feast.

So you can clearly see that the judgment and wedding feast occur shortly after Messiah returns to gather His bride, not seven years beforehand.

To read more about the seven feasts and how they point to Jesus second coming, click on No One Knows The Day And Hour Of Jesus Return

The “Marriage Supper of the Lamb” is at the end, not 7 years before Messiah returns on His white horse. 

Revelation 19:8-9 says that the bride is not ready until Revelation 19 and we are at the END of tribulation!

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.  And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.”

Then two sentences later in verse 11 we find the “Second Coming of Messiah”,

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.”

As you can see, anyone who teaches that believers will be raptured, and will be at the wedding feast with Jesus, while everyone on Earth is enduring seven years of tribulation, is teaching contrary to the Word of Elohim.

Followers of Messiah have faced tribulation for the last 2,000 years, as it is part of our purification and testing.

Messiah’s disciples were persecuted and killed. Stephen the Apostle was stoned. Paul was beaten, stoned and persecuted. Millions of Christians have died at the hands of the Jews, the Romans and the Roman Catholic Church.  Today, many Christians in other countries are being persecuted and killed for their faith.

Why would Elohim treat us any differently?  Do we think that we are better than those who died for their faith?

Messiah told us in Revelation 3:14-16 that we are the Church of Laodicea, and He said that we are wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked.  And because we are ‘lukewarm’, He will spit us out of His mouth, unless we repent of our ways.

Do you understand how effective Satan’s pre-tribulation rapture myth has been?

It has caused us to not prepare for hardship, as the financial system collapses.
You need to be prepared, so that during times of tribulation, you can protect yourself and your family.  If you don’t, then every day will be spent trying to survive, instead of being spent helping those around you.  When the world is suffering in the last days, people will be more desperate than ever for the Good News of Messiah .

It has caused us to not be prepared spiritually and unable to discern the truth about Satan’s end time plans.

You need to be alert, so that you’re not deceived by false prophets who tell you that the rapture has happened, or that the Messiah has come. You need to be strong with the full armor of Elohim protecting you.

Satan will make the world desperate for a savior who can provide for them and give them peace.

With the pending financial collapse; worldwide shortages of food and water; increases in wars and violence; and then the appearance of a false messiah…  the world will be ripe to accept the mark of the beast.

Revelation 12:12,17 says “woe to the ones dwelling on the Earth, because the devil came down to you having great anger, knowing that he has a little time!”, “he is enraged and will make war with those having the testimony of Christ.”

You need be prepared to give an answer for your faith, so that you don’t submit to the beast system and deny Messiah.

Antichrist is not just one man in the end, but a system that has been working since the time of Messiah.

Satan’s deception has caused Christians to look only to an end-time antichrist, instead of looking to all the institutions that have been antichrist for thousands of years, and are working against Christians, such as Babylonian Judaism and the Jesuits who control the Roman Catholic Church.

To read a Bible study about the ‘Little Horn of Daniel’ and the ‘Beast of Revelation’, click on The Beasts of Daniel and Revelation

Truth be told, nowhere in the Bible does it say there will be a 7 year tribulation

If you doubt that, ask your pastor where in the Bible it says that there will be a 7-year tribulation.

There will be great tribulation to be sure, but the pre-tribulation rapture myth is built around the concept of a 7-year tribulation, a futuristic 70th week of Daniel, that is not supported by the Bible.

Click here to see how a 70th Week of Daniel Antichrist and 7 Year Tribulation are NOT Biblical

Click here to learn that the 70th Week Of Daniel Prince is NOT an End Times Antichrist

Click here to see why an End Times Fulfillment of the 70th Week of Daniel is Illogical

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  1. SECOND COMING ITEMS FOR SALE !

    by Dave MacPherson

    In a recent dream of mine I saw things that even John Bunyan didn’t dream about in his “Pilgrim’s Progress.”

    I was walking down a remote dirt road and came by an old store with a sign that said “Second Coming Store – Established in 1830.”

    I opened the door and spotted the elderly owner standing next to shelves covered with many bottles filled with liquids.

    “What are you selling?” I asked.

    “Second Coming perfume,” he said.

    He quickly explained: “Our first and most popular perfume is called ‘Rapture.’ It doesn’t have much substance but smells better than our other perfumes.”

    “How was ‘Rapture’ invented?,” I asked.

    He responded: “Well, the ‘gather’ in Matt. 24:31 was ‘borrowed’ in 1830 and when it was quietly transferred to a pretrib setting it became much more fragrant and ‘Rapture’ became its new name.”

    I also noticed the other bottled perfumes.

    Evidently reading my mind, he explained that after “Rapture” came out in 1830, other perfumers realized they’d have to stretch forward other ingredients found in other parts of the Olivet Discourse in order to make “Rapture” even more acceptable.

    His other “Rapture”-supporting perfumes were in bottles labeled “Unknown Day & Hour,” “One Taken & the Other Left,” “Thief in the Night,” and “His Elect” (Olivet Discourse “elect” was originally “Church” but later changed to “Israel”).

    I wondered why the store owner didn’t have some other Olivet Discourse perfumes like “Sun & Moon Darkening,” “Falling Heavenly Stars,” “Sudden Destruction,” and “Jerusalem Touchdown” which could also be placed in a pretrib setting.

    He said: “I could never sell the four perfumes you just mentioned!”

    I asked: “Why not? They’re in the same Discourse.”

    He blushed and said: “Folks would smell a rat!”

    Well, I finally woke up from my dream. If you think my dream was just a dream, then you are dreaming!

    {God bless you, ETD. While webbing I spied the above truly creative item.}

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  2. It must really grieve you to hear and read of all of this deception amongst good, Christian folks! I went to a Pre-Trib Bible College, went to a Pre-Trib church, what church isn’t these days?, and I can tell you thanks so much for your writing and ministry to folk out there! I have come to appreciate and admire it, if you will. Keep up the good work! I can tell you that I am NOT a Pre-Tribber anymore!! Thanks~

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    • Yeah Dwight, it is grievous that most Christians are deceived about prophecy fulfillment. They are like the foolish virgins with no oil in their lamps. They will be caught off-guard, as a thief in the night.

      For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-5

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  3. Isaiah, 26 verses 19-21, states that the dead shall rise with my dead body (his) this is the future. It goes on to state that we should hide ourselves in our chambers (the light of God through Jesus Christ) until the iniquity is passed which means that we will survive with the resurrected ones with the protection of Jesus (our faith) through the Tribulation. While Jesus rids the earth of evil. This is the future. Only in the future can this world unite with heaven and evil be gone. Don’t worry Jesus will take care of us as Isaiah said. This is the Second Coming, the Resurrection and the survival of the believers.

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  4. This page for who’s left ( alive ) rapture contradict the rest of the site that shows we are in I belive 6th vial . Well that’s after the 7th trumpet . So how do you explain this .

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    • Sam, this page declares that the concept of a pre-trib rapture is a deception, so nobody will be left behind, as Messiah will come for us at the end. Thus it doesn’t not contradict that we are in the 6th bowl, waiting on Messiah’s return.

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  5. Hello David,
    I attend a Calvary Chapel church and it is getting to where I cannot stand the continual Israel worship that goes on there.
    I appreciate so much all of the information contained here on this site. I especially enjoy Pastor Steve Wohlberg’s wonderful teachings about the end time delusions.
    Thank you for your work.

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    • Thank you for your comment Mike! I used to attend Calvary Chapel churches, as I like going through the books of the Bible, verse by verse. During the last three years, as I come to learn the truth about prophecy fulfillment and about the Zionist state of Israel, I stopped attending CC, as I can’t just sit there and watch people be deceived.

      I came across Steve Wohlberg’s videos a few years ago and I appreciate that he is very logical and straight-forward in his explanations.

      I don’t agree with all that the top SDA Pastors teach about prophecy fulfillment, but they are way ahead of most Protestant churches who teach Futurism.

      Contact me anytime with questions or insight about the studies.
      David

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  6. David.I think it is important to look at past biblical events to point to the future.In the stories of Noah’s ark and Lots family we see God delivering His people from a big calamity.I think He will do the same before tribulation,and thats why in luke17:34-36 Jesus speaks of people in the fields,in bed or working and one of them is taken and the other is left.
    Jesus wouldnt have said that if it didnt have relevance in future.

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    • Jonathan, Noah did not escape that judgment. God delivered Noah through that judgment inside the Ark (a type or symbol of Christ) by his faith and obedience of trusting God that … 1. the judgment was coming 2. that God’s plan for the ark he was told to build would be sufficient and save him and his family 3. that he would know the exact time to enter the ark and be saved from the destruction and death. If we think that this was an easy deliverence we may need to think again. It took him a lot of years of hard work and faith in the face of ridicule and rejection to build the ark and be ready. Then he experienced the horror and destruction that came on the earth. He lived through that inside the ark. He exited the ark to a silent world … no other living humans or animals … the evidence of how greatly this impacted him may be revealed in the story in a very human and earthly manner when it includes that he grew grapes, made wine and got drunk.

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  7. Theo,
    For years i thought that i was wrong,because i asks myself why would Jesus come for the second time,pick the saints rapture) and than go back to heaven and wait for 7 years and come back with the saints?If so than it would be 3 times.As you said we all must go through the tribulation if nessecary-except for dead.precisly we are no better than de rest of the saints.
    Thank God

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  8. Time to wake up America! September is National Preparedness Month. Babylon the great will soon fall and three days of darkness will follow. Receive Jesus Christ into your heart to be protected from the wrath to come! Heaven and earth will be shaken and there will be chaos on the streets so please stay inside with your family tomorrow! Get into the ark before it’s too late because you DO NOT want to be left behind. Many will have to die for their faith but will still go to heaven as long as they DON’T take the mark of the beast mandated by Obama through the NWO. All the signs are here and the Palestinians received approval by the UN to raise the flag and divide Israel. God will bring judgment to this world by 9-13 and the rapture will occur on 9-15. God bless and please click share so your loved ones can have time to prepare!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5iXb8N7ds

    Here it is people! This masterfully done bible code video is proof that the bride is taken out of here on September 15th! This is when the last blast of the feast of trumpets will occur. Please watch this to the end so you will understand what the blessed hope is. Thank you Jesus, we cant wait to see you in your glory!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMHSe_ufAkU

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    If you are a Christian please watch this video to prepare yourself for the blessed hope and may God keep you and your family safe…

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  9. David, a question I have. From the questions and answers in your article I gathered that you believe that we are currently in the end time tribulation which would lead me to believe that you believe in a post-tribulation rapture. The question I have is if the gathering up occurs at the end of the tribulation who then would be left during the 1,000 year reign to populate the earth for satan to deceive once he is released from his prison (Revelation 20:7)?

    I would like to get your thoughts on this question as well. I believe in the gathering up of Jesus’ bride before the time of the tribulation as described in Revelation. Because I stand by this do you believe that I am deceived and if deceived then am not saved?

    I will start with this but have many other questions that I can address later.

    Thank you.

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    • Thank you for your comment Scott 🙂 I do believe that Messiah returns for His elect at the end. When you read the studies, you see that the 7 year and 3 1/2 year time periods that people point to as times of tribulation, have already been fulfilled, so they are not future.

      Great question about who populates the earth for the 1,000 years. The Bible in one place says that the Tares will be removed and burned. In another it says that when Messiah returns, all will be killed. So I really don’t have a good answer for you on that, other than to be sure that you will be part of Messiah’s bride.

      As I said, I believe that most Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, so there is no place for a pre-trib rapture. The enemy created the narrative of a futuristic 70th week of Daniel, a 7- year tribulation period, as to deflect blame away from the Popes of Rome, as the Protestant Reformers had rightly identified the Pope as the antichrist of Revelation.

      Because the 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled on time, after the 69th week, it cannot be a future 7-year tribulation period, so the pre-trib position is invalid. So yes, I believe that you’ve been deceived, as was I for most of my life. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-70th-week-of-daniel/

      Because the 1,260 days that are described in Daniel 7 and Revelation 11/12/13, were fulfilled during the 1,260 reign of the Roman Catholic Church, from 538-1798 A.D.; because the 1,290 and 1,335 days of Daniel 12 were fulfilled from 66-70 A.D.; there are no more prophecies left unfulfilled about a 3 1/2 year tribulation period, so the pre-trib position is invalid.

      As for a pre-trib belief affecting your salvation, I would not say that, for salvation is based on your belief in Messiah’s atoning work for your sins, as the spotless Passover Lamb of Elohim.

      I hope that you keep reading, to find the truth, so that you know were we are at in the prophecy fulfillment timeline, so that you are prepared as the wise virgins for Messiah’s return.

      Grace and peace and love to you in Yahusha’s (Jesus) name!
      David

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      • David,

        Here then is a question that I am curious to get your thoughts on. If the tribulation time has already occurred then why would the Jews even bother with wanting to rebuild their temple as they currently are right on the cusp of starting?

        Also, after the tribulation is the 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth and during that time as I mentioned in my first post that satan is locked away in the prison. If satan is locked away now since the millennium occurs after the tribulation then what would you say is influencing many of the evil and wickedness taking place right now?

        Thank you,
        Scott

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        • Thank you for your comment Scott 🙂 The Jews don’t know that the prophesied times of tribulation have been fulfilled, so they persist. They don’t believe that Messiah has come yet, so they persist. The enemy created the narrative of a future 7-year tribulation period, based on a futuristic 70th week of Daniel, which features a one-man antichrist in a rebuilt temple; so the enemy needs to reinforce their deception by making it seem like the Jews will rebuild the temple.

          Even if they build a temple, it would be a blasphemous denial of the one-time atonement by Messiah, the Passover Lamb; so it would never be called the ‘temple of God.’

          The millennium hasn’t started yet, as Messiah has not returned yet to gather His bride.

          I hope that helps!
          David

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  10. so i just have one question and this will suffice. regarding all the false prophets and deceivers, who do you think is the ac and false prophet. if we are at the door, then surely he is too. thanks for your time

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    • Thank you for your comment Anna 🙂 The home page shows the fulfillment of the Antichrist and False Prophet of Revelation 13, the Popes of Rome and the Jesuit Generals. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/

      The position of the Antichrist and False Prophet are not fulfilled by just one man, but they are a position like the President of the United States or the King of England. Many Popes and Jesuit Generals have historically fulfilled the positions. I think that Pope Francis is the last Pope, and that Adolfo Nicolás is the last Jesuit General.

      Keep learning and growing!
      David

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  11. Three of the world’s most powerful cities are not under authority of any nation and pay no taxes – 1.Washington District of Columbia (DC) not part of the city of Washington or United States. 2. City of London, not part of London or England, and 3. Vatican City, not part of Rome or Italy — this geo-strategic triangle serves as power base for GMT…
    Any one who wants to know more can check out this site
    http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.ca/2012/04/empire-triangle-just-like-three-points.html

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  12. Hi! Yahusha HaMashyach has been leading me to seek strongly the truths of our Elohim’s Word…He has already opened me to many truths, and pretty rapidly lately…From what I have read of your studies so far aligns pretty closely with some of what He has led me to…I just came across your studies yesterday, so have only read a handful so far though…My first question for you right now is on prophecy symbolism: why do you believe in no literal translations of any of it, an example is the sun, moon, stars, of revelation, and how you came to your conclusion of what they represent?…

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    • Thank you for your comment Lizzie 🙂 Praise Yah that He is leading you in truth! The Bible is its own dictionary, so we must look to see how it defines a word.

      When you read Genesis 37:9-11, it gives us the definition of sun, moon and stars, to refer to an organization leadership structure. “And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.”

      Revelation 6 is referring to the casting down of the pagan Roman Empire leadership structure.

      When you read the summary study of the fulfillment of the Revelation seals, trumpets and bowls, you see that the 6th seal fits into the historical narrative of the fall of the Roman Empire. http://christianitybeliefs.org/revelation-timeline/

      The seals caused it to collapse internally from civil war, famine, pestilence, etc. And so the Sun was darkened, but not without some power.

      The Trumpet judgments represented Yah sending army after army against the Roman Empire. In the 4th Trumpet the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power, which represents 1/3rd of the Roman Empire being cast down. The 5th and 6th Trumpets cast down to Eastern 1/3rd of the Roman Empire.

      So we use the Bible to define the words, and then we use historians such as Edward Gibbon, who wrote about “The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”, to validate the fulfillment.

      Keep learning and growing in the faith.
      David

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      • Thank you! I had been struggling a little inside myself with some interpretations when He had first begun to lead me to the Truths of Elohim’s Word. It seems man wants to pick and choose what should be translated literally or symbolically, and that hadn’t ever really sat right with me since prophecy is symbolism…I have read much more of your studies now and it is refreshing to see that the Truths He has led to you to align with what He has led me to in my own studies :)…One more question though, do you have a study on the earth beast on here because from comments you have posted on other studies I think some of your findings pertaining to the earth beast differ a little from mine and so far the only difference I have found in our studies is what pertains to the earth beast…

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        • Thank you for your comment Lizzie 🙂 Right now the only study I have on the earth beast is on the home page where it covers the second beast of Revelation 13. Many say that America is the earth beast, but Daniel told us that the last beast would be Roman. It has changed forms over the years, from the pagan Roman Empire, to the Roman Catholic Church which reigned for 1,260 years from 538-1798, to the Jesuits of Rome, who took control of the Vatican in the late 18th century. The Jesuits control America and cause our financial system and military to control the world. It is the Jesuits who are the reigning power in the world, though covertly, as they control the city-state of the City of London, which controls the world financial and trade market. They control the Federal Reserve Bank, the central banks of almost every country in the world, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the International Bank of Settlements, the large commercial banks and financial investment firms. In other words, they control the money in the world, and they will enforce the mark of the beast, and determine who buys and sells.

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    • I believe like wise that there is no pre rapture. The great falling away will be because it doesn’t occur when things get really bad and they will lose faith when they think Jesus should of saved them by then. Mathew ch.24 the day and hour ? In Jesus time 2 watchman stood on the mt. Of olives looking for the first glimpse of the new moon. The two day darkness when the moon doesn’t shine was known as the day and hour. Understand when it’s stated by people that we won’t know the day is wrong the day he is referring to is the end of time. You need to understand Jesus changed the subject by using the word but, but in that day, not his coming. The angles blowing the trumpets know exactly what day they will blow them. They know when they will gather the saints. Here is a video that changed they way I thought…..https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HRF9nIO_tzY

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      • Read Jeremiah25 the wicked will be like dung on the ground because there will be no one left to bury them. Just like in Noah’s time one saved one destroyed. One taken one left in the field dead. This is why the devil is chained, chained by circumstance there is no one left here on earth until our 1000 year reign with Christ is over when the wicked are judged that gives the devil one last chance in his mind to defeat Jesus with his army there are many like grains of sand in the sea. That’s when gathers them at the gate of the new Jerusalem that was brought down from heaven and devoured them and die the second death that’s it there gone. Hell, hades is grave miss interpreted by most we sleep after we die but we are alive in Christ make sense until we are risen or caught up. Wake out of your sleep lazareth, dIsciples say lord he is dead. We will be refined. Do people think we won’t suffer like those that went before us, I think not that’s why we must endure to the end. Thanks for your studies and confirming my findings also

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        • Read Jeremiah25 the wicked will be like dung on the ground because there will be no one left to bury them. Just like in Noah’s time one saved one destroyed. One taken one left in the field dead. This is why the devil is chained, chained by circumstance there is no one left here on earth until our 1000 year reign with Christ is over when the wicked are judged that gives the devil one last chance in his mind to defeat Jesus with his army there are many like grains of sand in the sea. That’s when he the devil,gathers them at the gate of the new Jerusalem that was brought down from heaven and God devoured them and they die, the second death, that’s it there gone. Hell, hades is grave miss interpreted by most we sleep after we die but we are alive in Christ make sense until we are risen or caught up. Wake out of your sleep lazareth, dIsciples say lord he is dead. We will be refined. Do people think we won’t suffer like those that went before us, I think not that’s why we must endure to the end. Thanks for your studies and confirming my findings also

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  13. hi david,
    ok so i’m a little confused here. you mention in another post that the rapture is the feast of trumpets, which falls around sep 13 this year, but then here you say:
    “It has caused us to not prepare for hardship, as the financial system collapses.
    You need to be prepared, so that during times of tribulation, you can protect yourself and your family. If you don’t, then every day will be spent trying to survive, instead of being spent helping those around you. When the world is suffering in the last days, people will be more desperate than ever for the Good News of Jesus.”
    why should we prepare if we won’t be here? please clarify.

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    • Thank you for your comment Jodie 🙂 I believe that Messiah will return for us during the Feast of Trumpets, but I do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. I do not believe that the Church will be caught up with Christ until the end. So we need to be prepared for what lies ahead, a worldwide economic collapse, WW III, the New World Order.

      All of the Apostles but one were killed. 10 million saints were killed by the Roman Empire. Over 50 million saints were killed by the Roman Catholic Church. Those were times of great tribulation to be sure.

      Why would we think that our Church era is so special as to be pulled out during times of tribulation? We are the light in the world.

      So we should be prepared, so that during times of tribulation in the world, when people will be desperate for answers, we can minister to them and give them the only solution, a covenant relationship with the Father through His Son.

      There will be a great harvest during the times of tribulation ahead. Why would the Church want to be removed? For the remnant are the ones who will be ministering and teaching the Gospel message.

      I hope that clarifies it for you. Let me know.
      David

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      • thank you so much for your swift reply. i am however still confused as it concerns the feast of trumpets. is that not this year? i am new to the topic, so am a bit ignorant. is that an annual feast that we’re to watch for after all these things have come to pass… ww111, new world order, economic collapse…?
        thank you again for your patience.

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        • You’re welcome Jodie 🙂 Yes, the Holy Feast days are observed every year, and the Feast of Trumpets lands in September or October. Sadly the enemy has caused the followers of Messiah to not observe them anymore, so they don’t understand that Messiah will return on the Feast of Trumpets. We should observe and celebrate the Feast Days as our Messiah is fulfilling them for His bride’s redemption.

          We don’t know what year He will return, so we simply have to understand where we’re at on the Revelation fulfillment timeline. And yes, an economic collapse, WW III and the NWO are the next things to occur. The economy could start to collapse this fall/winter.

          Keep learning and growing in the faith!
          David

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