Walid Shoebat is a fraud, a wolf in the church, who is being used to deceive Christians.
This report in no way supports the actions of radical Muslims. The topic is the credibility of Walid Shoebat’s claims to be an ex-terrorist; and his manipulation
of Bible prophecy.
Walid is a Roman Catholic like his wife and he points to Islam as the enemy, to deflect blame away from the Popes of Rome, which the Protestant Reformers rightly identified as the antichrist beast of Revelation, the Little Horn of Daniel, and the Son of Perdition.
Revelation 13 describes the leaders of the Roman beast, the Popes of Rome, and the Jesuit General.
Revelation 17 describes the Catholic Church, with her purple and scarlet colors, and golden cup.
Radical Muslims are an enemy to be sure, but they are ultimately controlled by the Jesuits of Rome through the CIA. Of course, Walid isn’t telling you any of that.
Wikipedia, the Jerusalem Post, CNN, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, Reporter Eileen Fleming of WeAreWideAwake.org, and many others, all proclaim that Walid Shoebat is a fraud, who is making lots of money by promoting hate towards Muslims.
Many Christians are embracing his message because some Muslims leaders oppose the Zionist state of Israel, and because some radical Muslims are killing Christians.
The deceiver is pitting Christians against Muslims, and Muslims against Christians.
The enemy is pushing the world towards WW III, which will pit christian America and Israel, against Muslims countries, where many on both sides are killed.
The enemy is causing strife between religions, so that in his New World Order, people will long for a one-world religion, that joins everyone together in the name of peace.
The deceiver is using people like Walid Shoebat to promote hatred towards Muslims, which will lead the world into WW III, when Muslim countries and Israel will attack each other.
On this Facebook post, Walid is promoting wiping out Mecca and Muslims, as a peace solution.
Reporter Eileen Fleming has researched Walid extensively, interviewing many of his family members. She learned from one of Walid’s many Palestinian American relatives, Kamal Younis, who checked his facts with other relatives and everyone of them agreed that;
“Walid’s entire biography is a manufactured fabrication. His handlers have taken one point and have twisted it and built up a fictional story.”
“The biggest act of ‘terror’ he ever committed was to glue Palestinian flags on street posts. But, when he was in jail he met someone who invited him to join a group against Israel. In 1977 Walid and his friends put packages behind a bank, but there were no explosives in it.”
“Walid claimed on CNN that he met Sheikh Jamal and was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and claimed he had been a member of a U.S. sleeper cell terrorist group. All his relatives doubt this greatly, but we do believe he is being paid big money to keep saying bad things about Muslims.”
“None of Walid’s relatives are extremists, only Walid is. It’s apparent Walid is involved in a smear campaign with fundamental Christian Zionists to convince Jews and Christians that Islam is out to get them.”
You can read her full report on Veterans Today @ http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/17/cnn-catches-up-to-the-new-fourth-estate-regarding-walid-shoebat/
Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, calls Shoebat a scandalous outrage.
In a telephone interview, Weinstein said that they had been tracking Shoebat for over two years, and in the process of the investigation, contacted CIA, Mossad and other organisations, “No one had ever heard of him.”
Mikey Weinstein said, “It’s an absolute outrage. Shoebat says that Islam must die…it’s old school racism and prejudice.”
Weinstein expressed anger at the fact that not only had Shoebat been paid with federal tax payer funds for his speaking appearances, but that he had also been present at an event organized by the Department of Defense.
When you look at his claims about being an ex-PLO terrorist, he is exposed as a fraud.
According to Wikipedia, Shoebat claims to have been a “Palestinian Liberation Organization terrorist.”
But his family says that he was never in the PLO.
Shoebat claims that he threw a bomb at Bank Leumi, an Israeli bank, in Bethlehem.
But the police and the Tel Aviv headquarters of Bank Leumi have no record of a firebombing at its now-demolished Bethlehem branch.
In addition Shoebat’s uncle also denies that such an attack took place.
Shoebat claims that he was held in an Israeli jail ‘for a few weeks’ for inciting anti-Israel demonstrations.
But the police say that he was never held in jail.
The Jerusalem Post states that Shoebat has profited from his story that he was formerly a Muslim terrorist who has rejected Islam for Christianity.
When the Post asked Shoebat whether the Walid Shoebat Foundation is a registered charity, he said that it was registered in Pennsylvania.
The Pennsylvania Attorney General’s Charitable Trusts and Organizations Section said it had no record of such a charity.
When asked again, Shoebat claimed it was registered under a different name, but that he was not aware of the Foundation’s registered name, nor any other details, which were known only to his manager.
Dr. Joel Fishman of the Allegheny County Law Library in Pennsylvania expressed doubts about Walid Shoebat Foundation’s donation process. He noted that if the money were being given to a registered charity, the charity would have to make annual reports to the state and federal government
The Jerusalem Post grilled Shoebat over his claims and the fact that the purported bombing attempt was never reported in the media at the time.
Cornered, Shoebat answered that he wasn’t aware of any coverage as he had “been in hiding for the next three days”.
This is despite the fact that in 2004, he had told Britain’s Sunday Telegraph that he “was terribly relieved when [he] heard on the news later that evening that no one had been hurt or killed by [his] bomb.”
On July 13, 2011, CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360° reported an investigative piece into Walid Shoebat’s claim to authority based on being a former terrorist. You can watch this CNN report:
The report found that according to Israeli government officials, the bank that Walid Shoebat claimed to have attacked, and his own relatives, no record of his supposed terrorist history existed.
A two-week term in an Israeli jail, another of Shoebat’s claims was also unsubstantiated, with Israel having no record he was ever jailed.
His cousin, interviewed in the report, stated that he had never known Shoebat to have ties to any movement, and that his claims of being a former terrorist were “for his own personal reasons”.
According to CNN, their reporters in the United States, Israel and the Palestinian territories found no evidence to support Shoebat’s claims and “neither Shoebat nor his business partner provided any proof of Shoebat’s involvement in terrorism”
Walid Shoebat teaches that all Muslims should be suspect and profiled. He teaches that they must be eliminated.
His teachings against Muslims are not of Christ, for you shall know them by their fruit, and his is one of rotten fruit of hatred.
This stands in direct opposition to what our Lord taught us. The world sees Christians hatred towards Muslims and not the love of Christ.
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. Be of the same mind toward one another… Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. Therefore “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:14-21
Christians blindly trust Shoebat because he claims to be a Christian.
Walid Shoebat was born in Bethlehem, raised in Jericho in a strong Muslim family.
When he “converted” from Islam to Christianity, it was through the Roman Catholic Church. Please understand that most Catholics believe in salvation by works through the Papal Church, which is not true salvation.
If you’ve read any of the studies on the website, then you know that the top leaders of the Catholic Church are the antichrist beast of Revelation 13, the Little Horn of Daniel 7, and the office of the Papacy, is the Son of Perdition of 2 Thessalonians 2.
Shoebat is a defender of the Roman Catholic Church. In an article on his website, he said,
“The Vatican has been slandered for centuries without a shred of biblical evidence. They call it the Harlot of Babylon, the killers of the saints, the woman drunk with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus Christ.
And for historic evidence they say that the Catholic Church eliminated the Manichaeans, Arians, Cathars, Priscillianists, Paulicians, Bogomiles and Albigensians.
But can anyone quote a single historian who confirms or proves that these groups were Bible believing Christians?“
At the St. Bartholomew’s Eve Massacre, 10’s of thousands of Huguenot Christians were killed, and Papal Rome celebrated, calling it a” great victory.”
But look at what Walid is saying by proclaiming that these people groups were not Bible believing Christians. He’s saying that it was okay for the Catholic Church to kill people whom they deemed as heretics. Show me the Bible verse that supports that.
It’s ironic that he wants proof that the Roman Catholic Church caused millions of Christians to be killed, but there is no proof that he was an ex-PLO terrorist.
Let’s focus on the bigger picture, so that we can see the truth about the deceptions of the enemy.
The Jesuits of the Roman Catholic Church are using the United States Intelligence agencies and military, to overthrow the leaders of countries and to bring them into submission to the New World Order.
While doing this, they are causing Muslims to hate ‘christian’ America, so that it seeks revenge.
During the Iraq wars, 100’s of thousands of Iraqi civilians were killed. The military used depleted uranium in the munitions, which is now causing massive cases of cancer and birth defects.
They demonized Muammar Gaddafi to justify removing him from power and killing him. Gaddafi nationalized their oil resources to fund free education, waterways to provide access to clean water, support to farmers to grow food for the country, and he was the protector of South Africa. Now the country is desolated and the Libyan people are suffering, under the control of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Syria is being demonized, falsely accused of using gas on civilians, etc. Before it was a place of peace where 5% of the population was Christian. Now it is war-torn and many Syrians line up every day for food. And the Christians are being displaced and persecuted.
Obama empowers the military to drop drone bombs on Pakistan and other countries, under the guise of killing suspected terrorists; but for every target, 10 civilians are killed.
The point is that these actions are causing Muslims to hate christian America, so they kill Christians, as it’s their only way to exact revenge.
The Jesuits use the intelligence agencies and military of the United States, to train, fund and arm, the Sunni Al Qaeda and ISIS rebels.
They use them to cause chaos in countries that they want to take control of, they use them to kill Christians and Shiite Muslims, and they use them to cause Christians to hate Muslims.
So it is the Jesuits who are using the Muslims rebels to kill Christians.
But Walid isn’t telling you that, because he is married to a Catholic, and he no doubt is a servant of Rome.
Can you see how both Muslims and American Christians are being played by the deceiver, to promote his goals?
Walid Shoebat points to the Muslims as the enemy, as the antichrist system.
But the truth is that the Jesuits of the Roman Catholic Church work behind the scenes, to cause Muslim radicals (Al Qaeda operatives) to kill Christians.
The Jesuits also control America and its military, so they are pitting these two forces against each other using the Hegelian Dialectic, in order to create their desired outcome, their New World, where there is only one religion.
And when that happens, all of the world will make war against the people that they deem as heretics, the true followers of Christ, who will be accused of being “Spiritual Racists.”
Walid manipulates Bible prophecy to point to an Islamic antichrist.
In referring to the third trumpet of Revelation 8:10, Walid teaches that it is pointing to Islam.
“Take note of the fact that the death of one-third of the earth’s population occurs during the rise of the eighth empire, which will be an Islamic alliance with Turkey as the head. Satan, who is the fallen star, and the destroyer who is unleashed, will precede the “mountain” (empire) that will cause one-third of mankind to die.”
But the true fulfillment of the third trumpet of Revelation 8 represents our Lord sending Attila the Hun to war against the Roman Empire.
A star in prophecy symbolizes a leader. God sent this great burning star, Attila the king of the Huns, who was called “the scourge of God.” He came from the area around a river in Illyricum which in Greek is called “Apsynthos” (Wormwood). Attila and his 800,000 man army rose quickly and flashed across the land in 451 A.D., and desolated the Italian Alps, which is the source of the Danube, Rhine and Po rivers.
Read about the fulfillment of the Revelation seals, trumpets and bowls.
Walid says that the Ottoman Empire will be re-empowered to be the antichrist beast 2, but the Word of God say that the Ottoman Empire would be dried up in the 6th bowl of Revelation.
The 6th Bowl was poured out to dry up the Ottoman Empire, the people (river) of the Euphrates who had been released during the 6th Trumpet. During the 18th and 19th centuries, they lost control of the territories that they had occupied, such as Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. They lost control of Palestine to General Allenby of Great Britain in 1917 A.D.
He teaches that salvation by “faith alone” was from the Roman Catholic Church, not the Protestant Reformers.
But in the 16th century, in response to the Protestant Reformation, the Roman Catholic Church Council of Trent CANON 9 proclaimed: “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema(damned).”
And the fulfillment of Revelation 11, is when the Lord had Martin Luther read the Holy Scriptures, to see who was the true church and the false church.
Luther found that the message of salvation by the sacraments through the Papal Church was not true salvation, and that they were in fact Gentiles who were delegated to the outer court of the Temple of God, the Church of Christ. They were the false apostate Church, a Harlot Church. Read The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 Bible Study.
He teaches that all roads lead to Turkey, not Rome, as to deflect blame away from them.
He defends the Catholic Crusades, calling them Christian Crusades, and is calling for more Crusades in the name of Christ.
But the Crusades are a Roman Catholic Church thing, NOT a Christian thing. The Roman Catholic Church empowered the Muslims to go conquer Jerusalem, and to kill Christians and Jews. The Muslims were supposed to turn Jerusalem over to the Pope, but they did not, and instead built the Dome of the Rock.
They Muslims conquered part of the old Roman Empire, which was primarily Catholic or Orthodox, both of which believe in salvation through the sacraments, and both revere Mary as their intercessor. So they were not true Christians.
The religion of Catholicism has killed more people than the religion of Islam.
Historians estimate that the Roman Catholic Church killed over 50 million ‘heretics”, mostly Jews and true Christians.
Here is what Walid Shoebat and his son Theodore are not telling you. The Roman Catholic Church helped Mohammed become the leader of Islam and they helped write the Qur’an. The iron/clay feet of the statue in Daniel 2 is the Roman Church and the Arabs, which both have historically killed Jews and the true followers of Christ.
Read this new Bible prophecy study called Islam In Bible Prophecy.
Walid’s son Theodore Shoebat is a Roman Catholic who is following in his footsteps of manipulating Scripture to point to Islam and Muslims.
UPDATE: The following videos were removed from YouTube by Theodore, as they prove that he is a rabid Catholic, and defender of the Pope. I left them on this page so that you can see what the topic was, and that he removed them.
In this video he says that the Virgin Mary is involved in warfare.
In this video he defends the Roman Catholic Eucharist, which proclaims that the wafer becomes the literal body of Christ.
In this video Theodore defends the Catholic icons/idols.
Here he defends praying to the souls of saints.
In this video he proclaims that Mary will return with Jesus at the second coming.
Clearly he is a Catholic who will never tell you the truth, that the Jesuits of Rome are the enemy of Christ and His followers.
Theodore promotes militant behavior and a new Crusade to kill Muslims.
Let’s be really clear about something.
If a Muslims kills a Christian, then the sovereign Lord allowed it, and that martyr will be honored in Christ’s kingdom.
If Muslims overrun America, then the sovereign Lord allowed it, as He consistently uses pagan people groups to execute His judgment on His disobedient people.
We are called to stand up against the evil system and expose the antichrist beast. We can defeat the enemy with the truth of the Word of God, which is the rod of iron.
But please stop promoting a culture of hatred of any people group, whether it’s Muslims, Jews, or any other.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?” Matthew 5:43-46
When you put all the facts together, Walid Shoebat is a liar about being an ex-PLO member; he is a defender of the antichrist Roman Catholic Church; and he is promoting a doctrine of hatred of Muslims.
His fruit is rotten and no Christian should have any part of him, lest they partake in his deception. Please share this page with others to expose him.
To learn who the antichrist beast of Revelation is, which makes war with Christians, read the End Times Deception home page.
Additional sources that show that Walid Shoebat is a fraud:
http://www.jpost.com/Features/The-Palestinian-terrorist-turned-Zionist
http://www.african-israel.com/False%20Christians/Walid.html
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/11/terrorism.expert/
It’s easy for news people to smear people, just by their tone of voice. When they don’t get what they want, they feel compelled to imply wrongdoing. They like to be politically correct, and to smear Christians, in particular; but the reality of Islam won’t be clear to them until it’s too late. Muslims are probably all over this site to glean whatever information they can; and/or to add negative comments.
Walid Shoebat is truly a fraud who will lie, obfuscate, and deflect any and all truthful, reasonable, and objective, criticism of Roman Catholicism ………in other words…….a true Catholic! It doesn’t matter to him at how wrong he is scripturally, or how unfounded and wrong his conclusions are, he will ALWAYS lie and retaliate! He has deleted my comments about his lying articles about Evangelicals and criticism of Muslim false interpretations of scripture, while allowing Catholic lies and misinterpretation to go unchallenged! That’s why this loser is going down! I will dedicate the rest of my considerable ability to disprove him for as long as he breathes air! Wait till you see what he has to deal with for the rest of his life! You should have left well enough alone and been honest, Wali World! You’ll rue the day you ever started allowing posts and then attempted to engineer the TRUTH!
Thanks for a great article and comments, David! You are a good Christian man with both secure and honest beliefs AND an unbiased, respectful view for all peoples and religions. Keep it up! x
Shoebat claims to have exited Islam.. maybe he has.. but; he only got as far as Fatima.
He recently booted me from his site for the egregious offense of sincerely and respectfully asking him, and a couple of his followers [who were ranting vitriol and accusation against me] ‘what is the gospel wherein you trust for your eternal salvation?”
Shoebat reacted by way of calling several different iterations of the word, “dog.” Something he did not do however, was to mount any sort of response as to the question: “what is the gospel?”
Shoebat is a farce.. even his supposed militant Islamic background is fabricated from the whole cloth of falsity. He’s a profiteer, and cannot be trusted on any level. Neither does he write his voluminous, would-be-theological articles.. that’s all done by papist apologists.
We should all make efforts to expose these false teachers. They are a mock to the blood of Christ.
Have you noticed mr shoebat vets every comment that is made.
He has the right of veto on any and all.
How strange he should leave one faith to go through revolving doors into the Catholic mm interesting
Catholic church and islam are from the same source. Muhameds first wife was a catholic nun. Remember, catholism was before islam.
Agreed Arjis! Here is a study series I posted about that http://christianitybeliefs.org/islam-in-bible-prophecy/
No, Walid is not a fraud at all !!!! The fraud comes from mainly american Bible ‘teachers’ who up until now have been teaching the ‘sheep’ what they desired. They hate being wrong all these decades and now they attack Walid.Anyone who reads carefully, understands what he is saying, its not difficult. Give up, please, attcking him. Study to show yourselves approved!!
Well Lori, if you knew the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, you would know that Walid Shoebat is a fraud, for his explanations are wrong. Give up, please, defending him. Study to show yourselves approved!!
According to major Protestant leaders the answer is “both”:
John Calvin: “It does seem that the fourth iron kingdom was in fact *both* the pre-Papal and Pre-Islamic Undivided Pagan Roman Empire, as well as the later Western Roman Papal and the contemporaneous Eastern Roman Islamic Empire into which it then subdivided…Thus they correspond to the two legs of the later Roman Empire – Islam and the Papacy.” “As Muhammad says that his Qur’an is the sovereign wisdom, so says the Pope of his own decrees. For they be the two horns of Antichrist”
Jonathan Edwards: Referring to the three unclean spirits that proceed forth from the mouth of the dragon in Revelation 16:14, Edwards commented that, “there shall be the spirit of popery the spirit of Mahometanism (Islam) and the spirit of heathenism all united.
Martin Luther: “The Pope is the spirit of antichrist, and the Turk (Muslim) is the flesh of antichrist. They help each other in their murderous work. The latter slaughters bodily by the sword; and the former spiritually by doctrine.”
John Wesley: ”Indeed, the iron teeth closely match Islam. Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it…have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining, that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind.”
Agreed that those major Protestant leaders were pointing to the two heads of the Popes of Rome and Islam/Muslims.
In the 7th century…
The Roman Catholic Church helped Mohamed become the leader of the Arabs.
They helped the illiterate Mohamed write the Qur’an, with beliefs that are very similar to Catholicism.
They financed the Arabs to kill Jews and Christians, and to capture Jerusalem.
Daniel 2 speaks of the iron-clay feet, which represents Rome mixing with another people group, the Arabs. The Roman Catholic Church didn’t have an army, so they used the Muslims to wage war against their enemies.
The Strong’s Hebrew word for both “mixed” and “mingle” is 6151 “arab.”
The clay represents the Arabs, who became the great Ottoman Empire, who worked with the Roman Catholic Church, to control the lands previously occupied by the Roman Empire. They both killed Christians and Jews, but they have also warred with each other during the Crusades, as they don’t mix well.
Satan has empowered the Roman beast to try to eliminate the Word of God and the Church of Christ, the Two Witnesses against him and his Roman Catholic Church.
The Rome beast has changed forms over the years from the Roman Empire, which killed 10 million saints; to the sea beast of Revelation 13, the Roman Catholic Church, which killed over 50 million saints; to the earth beast of Revelation 13, the Jesuits of Rome, who will seek to eliminate all followers of Christ in their New World Order.
In order for the Jesuits to create their New World Order, they must control the money supply of every country.
In recent years, they created the supposed War On Terror against Muslims, to justify the American military to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which now have a Jesuit Rothchild Central Bank, like the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank.
They used Al Qaeda to help overthrow Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, and now Libya has a Jesuit Rothchild Central Bank.
This is why Syria and Iran are in the cross-hairs, because they have not bowed down to the authority of the Jesuits.
The Jesuits covertly train, arm and fund, Al Qaeda and ISIS rebels, through the CIA, Mossad and Saudi Arabia.
These radical Muslims are being used to kill Christians as part of the Jesuits continued Holy Inquisition…
To incite WW III between the Kings of the East, Arab countries, against Israel…
And to push the world into their New World Order.
Here is a Bible study series that proves this out http://christianitybeliefs.org/islam-in-bible-prophecy/
You don’t know Walid, his entire family are sold out Islamic radicals. Have you ever heard of “taqiya” it is Islam’s responsibility to lie to infidels, US. You are stuck in the stone age with your Catholic garbage. News flash Catholic Arabs Iraqis Syrians are being murdered for their faith in Yeshua, note, they all also still speak Aramaic.
Have you any knowledge of who the people are you are quoting for your evidence. Have you read the Koran? Have you been to Israel? Do you have knowledge of the Madhi? If you did you would notice he is the ANTI-CHRIST and hello he is a Muslim.
In closing you are either another Muslim in sheep’s clothing, of whom I have dealt with many. Or a delusional Christian…
I know that Walid’s teachings about prophecy fulfillment are false. I know that he abuses the Scriptures to point to the Islamic Mahdi, to deflect blame away from the Popes and Jesuit Generals of Rome. I know that the Popes fulfill Bible prophecy as the Little Horn of Daniel, the Son of Perdition of 2 Thessalonians 2, and the antichrist sea beast of Revelation 13. I know that the Jesuits are the earth beast of Revelation 13, who are using the Popes to gather the world under their power. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/
I know that the Roman Bishops helped write the Qur’an and prop up the illiterate Mohamed as their prophet, to cause them to kill Jews and the saints, to help conquer territories and to capture Jerusalem. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/islam-in-bible-prophecy/
If you actually read the studies on this website, you would see the many witnesses that the Popes and Jesuits of Rome are the enemy of Messiah and His followers.
I have been to Israel, thanks.
I am not a Muslim.
I am simply a follower of the Messiah of the Scriptures.
btw, I noticed that your email includes the name Yeshua.
Messiah’s name is not Yeshua, as that means ‘He cries’
It is Yahusha, which means ‘Yahu’, the Great I Am, ‘saves’
http://christianitybeliefs.org/the-falling-away/the-names-of-the-father-and-the-son/
David:
You have no idea what you are talking about. You have used scripture to fit your agenda. It is not about the Vatican or Popes, or Russia being Gog. That is misguided teaching from some Christian ministers and book authors who are also trying to fit scripture into their agenda as well. You are in for a big surprise, son.
Your statement proves nothing! My agenda is teaching the truth about prophecy fulfillment, just like the great theologians of history who all point to the Popes as the Little Horn of Daniel 7, the Son of Perdition of 2 Thessalonians 2, the antichrist of Revelation 13, and the Roman Catholic Church is the Harlot of Revelation 17.
Islam is a daughter of the Harlot, as are most Protestant Churches, Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Mormon’s, etc.
I am not a part of any church. My agenda is to expose frauds like Walid Shoebat who has no proof that he was a terrorist, and whose prophecy explanations are wrong, which deflect blame away from his beloved Popes.
Seems to me your hatred of catholicism is so deeply rooted you are incapable of balanced objectivity. The Catholic Church is ripe to be critiqued but if you know the unsanitized history of the protestant movement especially the Jew hating Luther who wanted five books of the Bible removed. Then you would know people in glass houses are unwise to throw stones
John, teaching truth is not hatred. Messiah taught the truth about the Jewish leaders, but He did not hate them. He said they were of their father the devil, but He did not hate them. I pray for Catholics to compare what the Popes of Rome teach against the Scriptures. If fact I have a website to help them do just that, so that they can have a covenant relationship with the Father through Messiah alone. http://romancatholicbeliefs.org
Brilliant and patient answers David. Thanks for taking the time to respond in an intelligent, Biblical and accurate way. JL PhD and history teacher/professor
1. You didnt explain rev 13:2, remember rome didn’t conquer persia while the beast must resembled babylon, persia and greece. you connected pope with babylon but rome only controlled babylon for less then 3 months only islam take full control of babylon.
2. You didn’t explain rev 13: 6, the beast will insult god holy place (jerusalem), muslim fullfill it with building mosque not vatican.
3. catholic destroying catholic??? come on get real bro
council nicea 325 ad there are 318 participant only 5 from west chuch the rest from east chuch, since then konstantine moved his capital from rome to konstantinopel. vatican never really have power until charlemagne request blessing from pope beside there is no prove that vatican “gain” power from 538 with what??? they don’t have troops and i don’t think east chuch (ortodox) will follow to vatican.
6th is rome and 7 is islamic caliphate, islamic caliphate rule until ali+hasan+husein overthrown by small horn (muawiyah) in 661 although muawiyah already gain most IC territory since 660. although he robbing 5th caliph title from hasan he didn’t retain that tittle instead he established umayah caliphate and becoming 1st caliph of umayah this new caliphate system replaced blood related system (sunni vs shiah) and reign from 660-1920 when league of nation held first meeting marked the end of WW1 officially – (collapse of ottoman empire in WW1)
And you didn’t explain ALL of the verses in Revelation 13, just a few that seem to point to Islam. Read the home page of the website, where I explain the fulfillment of Daniel, 2 Thessalonians 2, and Revelation, all of which point to the Popes and Jesuits of Rome.
Read the Witnesses Against The Papal Antichrist study, which is full of historical testimonies against the antichrist Popes of Rome. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/historic-witnesses-against-the-antichrist-roman-beast-the-popes-of-rome/
Thanks for the discussion, I’m done debating with you.
for your satisfaction then here detail
REVELATION 13 by each verse
1. Beast appeared (look daniel 7 4th beast), this is symbol of islam/allah as whole
2. resembled of lion, bear and leopard only islam ever conquer 3 beast territory and it is HISTORICAL FACT you will never seen rome map reach persian.
3. one head wounded but healed, it is the first fitna when muawiyah fight against ali which cost many jihadist army but finally muawiyah wins and his umayah caliphate conquer from spain to persia
4. who can fight the beast? islam is so powerfull under rashidun and umayah and most of her conquest last until now (while rome suffer many defeats, split even lost its territory) men worship islam as religion not rome
5. 42 month represent power of new system calliphate that replce blood related from 660 (muawiyah gain most IC territory) until 1920 (end of WW1, first meeting of league of nation held in january, fall of ottoman empire)
6. islam insult god and his dwelling place, islam called jesus as man, replace true israel god with pagan deity and build mosque in jerusalem salomn temple
7. islam fight against jew and christian even defeating christian byzantium empire and also islam/allah spread throughout the world.
8 there are 1.5 B muslim now from all over the world
9/10. islam spread her teaching with sword (war)
11. islam claimed to believe prophet isa/jesus believe in all prophet and their book of torah and sabur/psalm (look like a lamb) but insult him by reject jesus divinity, claim all prophet were muslim and claimed bible is a fake (speak like dragon). the beast are early jihadist(when they are still in small number then gaining more follower), two horns represent rashidun and umayah caliphate
12. rashidun and umayah are moslim and they forced people to follow islam
for your satisfaction then here detail
REVELATION 13 by each verse
1. Beast appeared (look daniel 7 4th beast), this is symbol of islam/allah as whole
2. resembled of lion, bear and leopard only islam ever conquer 3 beast territory and it is HISTORICAL FACT you will never seen rome map reach persian.
3. one head wounded but healed, it is the first fitna when muawiyah fight against ali which cost many jihadist army but finally muawiyah wins and his umayah caliphate conquer from spain to persia
4. who can fight the beast? islam is so powerfull under rashidun and umayah and most of her conquest last until now (while rome suffer many defeats, split even lost its territory) men worship islam as religion not rome
5. 42 month represent power of new system calliphate that replce blood related from 660 (muawiyah gain most IC territory) until 1920 (end of WW1, first meeting of league of nation held in january, fall of ottoman empire)
6. islam insult god and his dwelling place, islam called jesus as man, replace true israel god with pagan deity and build mosque in jerusalem salomn temple
7. islam fight against jew and christian even defeating christian byzantium empire and also islam/allah spread throughout the world.
8 there are 1.5 B muslim now from all over the world
9/10. islam spread her teaching with sword (war)
11. islam claimed to believe prophet isa/jesus believe in all prophet and their book of torah and sabur/psalm (look like a lamb) but insult him by reject jesus divinity, claim all prophet were muslim and claimed bible is a fake (speak like dragon). the beast are early jihadist(when they are still in small number then gaining more follower), two horns represent rashidun and umayah caliphate
12. rashidun and umayah are moslim and they forced people to follow islam,
13-15. muslim always claim mohamed split the moon and it is known they respect /using demonic jinn (genie) even dark magic and claimed thats all from allah almighty. they will kill those who insult islam. in war islam bring cannon which unknown to christian that weapon can cause explosion (fire from heaven)
16-18 under rashidun and umayah caliphate islam expand its territory with war/sword they commit forced religious convertion with death penalty or paying high taxes (jizyah) so non converter will become very poor (unable to buy/sell – rev 13:16).
666 beast – triscore
1. it is a mark, those who embrace islam will receive marked in head (belief the idea of pagan deity) and work in way of islam (hand mark).
2.it is a number , the mark of the beast 666 which greece numerical known as tri score number is allah name,
3 it is a name, a converter/mualaf must said syahadat word which meantion name of beast/allah (rev 13:17) .
4. it is man, name allah is a name for male deity for female is al lat just like christiano for male and christiana for female
Well that’s an interesting explanation. Kuddos to you for providing it, as most people can’t even attempt to explain each verse. What about this description in Rev 13:1? “rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns”
the beast rise from water (means with many follower) this is established islam while second beast are very early jihad while they still in small number.
as written in daniel 7:24 and rev 17:12 are ten kings (horns), it is ten leader of early islam (mohamed and his relatives). and they have one purpose is to give authority and power to the beast/islam (rev 17:13) – it is known that mohamed do anything for greatness of islam including jihad war. they will receive authority in short time (one hour).
in bible one prophetic day/time could means either one year or one thousand year. one hour here represent around 41 years (one day equal to 1000 years) this date started when mohamed perfecting islam teach by ascend to heaven and received allah order to pray 5 times a day(night of journey, isra mijrad) 620 AD until 661 AD (hasan and husein surrender later suffer public insult by muawiyah)
The ten horns represent Mohamed and his relatives? okay… Actually one day does not always equal a year or a thousand years. The prophecies of 2,300 days in Daniel 8, and the 1,290/1,335 days in Daniel 12, were fulfilled in those number of days.
Thanks for the discussion, but the studies on this website prove that the last of the four beasts of Daniel is Roman. They prove that the Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the Popes of Rome. They prove that the Son of Perdition of 2 Thessalonians 2 is the Popes of Rome. They prove that the Catholic Church helped write the Qur’an and prop up the illiterate Mohamed as their prophet. They prove that the beasts of Daniel 13 are the Popes and Jesuit Generals of Rome. They prove that Revelation 17 points to the Popes of Rome rising to power after the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power. And they prove that seals, trumpets and bowls of Revelation point to Rome. So we will just have to agree to disagree. No need to comment further ‘donal’, as I’m done with this discussion with you. Grace and peace to you, David
wrong.
ONLY ISLAM CUTS PEOPLE HEADS
Revelation 20:4 ►
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been BEHEADED because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.