Christians Should Not Support The Zionist State Of Israel

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Please pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you, because many Christian people have been teaching false doctrine regarding the Jews and Israel.

If you read it based on your current understanding, then your previous programming will cause you to dismiss it as anti-semitic (which you will see, is not possible.)

What you will see is that most of the sources on this page are from Jewish people.

Be sure to read it all the way through, as it reveals who is a true Israelite, who is a true Jew, and who are the promised children of God.

Consider the following facts to see why Christians should NOT support the state of Israel. Rather we should pray for Jews to come to know Jesus as their Messiah.

Rabbinical Torah Jews believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent true Jews or Judaism.

Torah Jews study God’s Torah only, not the Satanic Egyptian Kaballah or the Babylonian Talmud, that the Zionist Ashkenazi Jews study and revere.

They believe that the world must know that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

They believe that contemporary sovereignty over the Holy Land belongs to those who have lived there for centuries, the Palestinians.

In this interview, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro, rabbi of Beis Medrash of Bayswater, explains the motives behind the claims of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders to represent all Jews. He explains how Zionism, starting from Theodor Herzl, unilaterally arrogated to itself the right to speak in the name of world Jewry. Rabbi Shapiro explains the motives behind this and the danger it poses to the Jewish people.

In this interview, Rabbi Weiss is sharply critical in his remarks of the ideology of Zionism, who wrongly claim to represent Jews.

You can read more about them at these websites:
True Torah Jews  /  Jews United Against Zionism

Since Torah Jews who live in Jerusalem believe that the state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God, we should not support them either.

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DNA studies confirm that 97% of people who call themselves Jews, ARE NOT descendents of Abraham.

In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim (a Jew), a biologist at Hebrew University, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood.

The newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and his associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, has confirmed that:

The various groups of Jews in the world today DO NOT share a common genetic origin, and their genome is largely Khazar.

In fact, DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Khazar ‘Jews!’

These DNA research results should cause you to question everything you know about modern day Jews and the state of Israel.

Today they’re called Ashkenazi Jews, but they are a Jew by religion, not by blood. Most of them have Turkish-Mongol DNA.

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim.

The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar. A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic.  Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

Jesus words that Jerusalem will be “trampled by Gentiles” are confirmed, as 97% of the so-called Jews in Israel are Gentiles.

To read a more in-depth study about this, click on Jews Who Are Not Jews.

Since they’re not the descendents of Abraham, then they don’t have a right to
the land or to persecute the Palestinians, who they kicked off of the land.
And Christians should not support them.

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Miko Peled, the son of the late Israeli general Mattityahu Peled, proclaims that the Zionist leaders are Israel are not Jewish.

Miko Peled is an Israeli writer and activist and the author of “The General’s Son: Journey of an Israeli in Palestine.”

Mike has proclaimed that, “Israel is a racist criminal state that uses “security” as an excuse to murder innocent Palestinians and assassinate Palestinian political leaders, intellectuals and clergy. This has been going on for over six decades.”

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Shulamit Aloni, former Minister in the Israeli government, says that using accusations of anti-semitism is a trick, which Zionists always use.

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Palestinians are fighting for their lives; Israel is fighting for the occupation.

Amira Hass Palestinians Fighting For Their LivesThat we notice there’s a way on only when Jews are murdered does not cancel out the fact that Palestinians are being killed all the time.The Palestinians are fighting for their life, in the full sense of the word.

We Israeli Jews are fighting for our privelege as a nation of masters, in the full ugliness of the term. We are doing everything in our power to make their lives unbearable.”
Amira Hass, Oct 07, 2015 – Haaretz

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Their Babylonian Talmud is anti-christ and anti-christian.

The Ashkenazi Jewish leaders believe that their Babylonian Talmud supersedes the Bible in authority, and it says blasphemous things such as:

Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.” Gittin 57a
Jesus’ mother was a whore who played the harlot with carpenters.” Shabbath 104b
Christians are allied with hell, and Christianity is worse than incest.” Abodah Zara 17a
Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle.” Kerithuth 6b

Since their Babylonian Talmud is clearly anti-Christ and anti-Christian, Christians should not support them.

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Their Egyptian Kaballah is based on witchcraft and astrology.

Gershow Scholem (1897-1982), Professor of Kabbalah at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said that the Kabbalah contains a great deal of black magic and sorcery, to invoke the powers of devils to disrupt the natural order.

Since their Egyptian Kaballah is based on witchcraft and astrology, which God forbids, Christians should not support them.

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The six-sided star on their flag represents 666 and Satan.

King David never used a star, so that’s just a lie to cover what it really represents.

Solomon fell away from God and he built altars to and worshiped false gods, such as Ashtoreh and Remphran. He used the star in his seal as a symbol of protection.

It is the supreme symbol of satanic tyranny against God and humanity, and has long been used in Egypt and Babylon magic, occultism, witchcraft and the casting of zodiacal horoscopes by astrologers.

666-hexagramThe 6 points, 6 triangles, and the 6 sides of the hexagram = 666!

The hexagram is on the flag of Israeli, because the Satan-led, Jesuit-controlled,  Rothchild family, owns and controls Israel. Read The Star Of David Deception

Since the hexagram on their flag represents 666 and Satan, it identifies Israel’s Ashkenazi Jewish leaders as antichrist, and Christians should not support them.

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The Rothchild family finances and controls the state of Israel.

This Hasidic Jew tells you the truth about Zionist “Israel” which was created for the Jesuit Rothchild family.

Israel was created by the Jesuit Rothschilds as a nation-state to hide their money, and an opportunistic group – the Zionists – who would front for them.

The Jesuits use the powerful Israel military to control the Middle East.

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The “regathering” of Israelites has already been fulfilled.

The “regathering” that so many teachers attribute to the modern state of Israel, was fulfilled BEFORE Jesus first coming.

God said that the Israelites would be regathered, not just the Jews.  The Jews are only 1/12th of the tribes of Israel, which descended from Jacob/Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31 says “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.”

The Jews (tribe of Judah) were released from their Babylonian captivity, and allowed to return to Jerusalem, to rebuild the city and the temple.

People from the other Israelite tribes (tribe of Israel) also returned and lived in Galilee, where Jesus found many of His disciples.

Jesus confirmed that the house of Israel had been regathered in Matthew 15:24, when He said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

In Hebrews 8:8-10, Paul confirmed that this prophecy had been fulfilled, as the New Covenant Gospel was preached to the House of Israel and the House of Judah, through Jesus and His disciples.

To read more about why there is no need for a regathering in the end times, click on Regathering Of The Jews Deception

Because the regathering of Israelites already happened before Jesus first coming, we should not look for another God-ordained regathering. This confirms that the modern state of Israel is illegitimate, and Christians should not support it.

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Bless Israel, be blessed; curse Israel, be cursed” manipulates God’s Word.

The Word of God says in Genesis 12, “I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you ALL the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

False teachers wrongly insert the name “Israel” (the modern nation of Israel), in place of “you” (Abraham).

It DOES NOT say “Israel”, as there is no Israel. Abraham is NOT a physical Israelite or Jew, as they were descendents of his grandson, Jacob/Israel.

God had just told Abraham to leave Ur and all his comforts, and God was reassuring him that He will protect him, provide for him and bless him.

The name “Israel” represents people who have a spiritual covenant relationship with God by faith, like Abraham. 

The angel wrestled with Jacob “spiritually” to help him come to the end of himself, his life of deception, and his living “out of the flesh“; and into a real relationship with God, where he trusted God to live through him.

The word “Israel” in the Bible DOES NOT mean the modern nation of Israel.
Israel represents a people who trust in God by faith, not a place.

The name “Israel” has been hijacked by people who aren’t even descendents of Abraham, so Christians should not support them.

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God’s chosen people” are those who have a Covenant relationship with Him.

“Just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.” Galatians 3:6-9

It can’t be more clear!!! Abraham’s spiritual descendents, those who believe by faith in the atoning work of Yahshua/Jesus, are God’s Chosen People, who have blessed the earth with the Gospel.

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendents ARE NOT the children of God.
For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God.
Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.” 

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Because God’s promises are to His spiritual descendents, Christians should not support the unbelieving leaders of the state of Israel.

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So what reasons do you have to support the Jews and the state of Israel?

Do they thank God for restoring them after 1,878 years of exile?

Do you hear Israel’s leaders mention the God of the Bible?

Are they bearing fruit for God?

Is there any evidence to show why Christians should support them?

Friend, you’ve read all of the evidence.

It’s time to acknowledge that Christians have been greatly deceived by Satan.

Until you see this truth, you won’t be able to discern end times prophecy, because most of the false teaching are based around the creation of the modern state of Israel.

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Why has the modern state of Israel been created and filled with Fake Jews?

The Jesuits of the Roman Catholic Church needed to take control of the Middle East, in order to be able to push Islamic countries into the New World Order.

If you haven’t read our study that identifies the Roman Catholic Church as the beast of Daniel and Revelation, click on The Beasts of Daniel and Revelation

They will use Jerusalem as their New World Order headquarters, as it’s the central place that ties in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

After wars between America, Israel and Islamic countries; they will unite all religions into one in the name of peace, which will have the effect of making Christians (spiritual Israel) the enemies of the world.

Their modern state of Israel serves to deceive Christians about end-times prophecy, so they can’t discern the truth.

It has caused Christians in America to support Israel, regardless of their actions.  We give them 3 Billion Dollars a year, provide military support and veto any action against them by other countries.

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Satan used the Rothchild family to create the Zionist state of Israel.

Rothchild six pointed star on red shieldThe Ashkenazi Jew (Jesuit-controlled) Rothchild family coat of arms includes the hexagram, as they practice Babylonian Judaism and worship Satan.

They are ultra-wealthy because their banking schemes have stolen the wealth of the nations, including the U.S. via the Federal Reserve Bank (which they share private ownership).

They bought a great deal of property from the Turks and Arabs, to create early Jewish settlements in Palestine.

Then the Jesuits instigated WWII and the killing of Jews, to help justify the creation of the state of Israel.

To get support from the U.S., they bribed President Truman with 2 Million Dollars to approve the U.N. resolution.

They are the reason for the hexagram six-sided star on Israel’s flag, as it represents 666 and Satan.  The Menorah has always represents the Jews of the Bible.

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The Israeli Supreme Court building was funded and designed by the Rothchild family, and it features many Satanic, Illuminati symbols.

The most prominent symbol is the green pyramid with the all seeing eye on it, which represents Satan, the god of this earth.  There is also many Illuminati symbols in the building, and an obelisk, which represents Sun worship, which ultimately is Satan worship.

Israeli Supreme Court building with masonic symbols

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The Israeli military attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967, killing 34 and injuring 174.

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel, killing 34 Americans and wounding another 174.

The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died. For more information: http://www.gtr5.com/

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The Israeli MOSSAD was complicit in the destruction of the towers on 9/11.

The false narrative about 19 hapless Muslims with box cutters causing three steel-framed buildings to fall on 9/11 is a lie.  Steel-framed buildings do not collapse on top of themselves, at near free-fall speeds, and end up as a pulverized dust pile.  They obviously were destroyed with explosives.  Building 7 was not hit by a plane, yet it was caused to collapse six hours after the planes hit.

The link is to a study that gives many references about people who were involved that are Jewish.  They are there because you need to see that the Israeli Mossad (and CIA) was behind the False Flag event.

http://thetruthfulone.com/911-truth/

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Don’t you see the cruel irony my friend?

They say that they are God’s chosen people, but their leaders represent Satan.

They cry out about anti-Semitism, but they aren’t even Semites.

They get Zionist Christians to support them, but they hate Jesus and Christians.

And they are controlled by the Beast of the Roman Catholic Church, which will seek to kill all Christians in their New World Order.

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Satan has deceived Christians about who is ‘Israel’ and who is a ‘Jew’, so that Christian Zionists are unknowingly playing a major role in supporting his diabolical plan for a one-world system, which he will control.

He’s DECEIVED ALMOST THE WHOLE WORLD into believing that they’re the “chosen people” returning to their “promised land”. But they are IMPOSTORS!

Anyone who believes that the ZIONIST STATE of Israel set up by this One World Conspiracy is the same as the NATION of ISRAEL referred to in Scriptures, IS MISERABLY DECEIVED the way Christ warned us in Scriptures that “MANY would be”.

ANY Christian preacher who actively teaches this FALSE DOCTRINE is also either miserably deceived or he is outright LYING, and may God have mercy on him.

God’s Word prophesied that in the last days imposters would erroneously and falsely claim to be “Jews.” These imposters would persecute their enemies, especially the Christians.

But God will have his revenge: “Behold, I will make them of the Synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; Behold I will make them to come and worship at thy feet and know that I have loved thee.” (Revelation 3:9)

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king.bulan June 6, 2014 at 3:33 am

The Ethnic Cleansing of the Palestinians
These impostors Jews of Khazaria had jumped on the gravy wagon by falsifying their race from Turkic/Mongol origin of Khazaria to the Middle Eastern race, why? Why not? Free land, new homes, settlements, farms and free Western money pouring from collaborating governments and from the fools and resurrection freaks of the Judea-Christians of America . They have been killing the real Semites in Palestine for over 70 years to replace them with these fake impostor Jews. There are decent and god fearing Jews (like the Jews of the Middle East or the Neturei Karta) and all of them disagree with these lunatics Ashkenazis that comprise 92% of Palestine now. The recent DNA findings is a science and is not my word against yours and it shows without a doubt that all of these AshkeNazi Jews are impostors and have no connection to the Middle East Jews and are not the seed of Ibrahim as they claim and never been Promised a land or Chosen as they claim. We all go by the father lineage to trace our ancestry as from Noah past by Shem, past by Ebrahim, past by Isaac and then by Jacob. AshkeNazis, to hide the origin of their ancestry, follow the mother side, why? To deceive us that’s why! But they never thought Science will put the last nail in their coffin at the end! There is a god after all. Now, to all of the supporters of this racist state of Khazaria, you will all have to compensate these poor Palestinians for this 70 years of killing and injustice. Remember what goes around comes around as these haters AskeNazis love no one and especially Germans as they already caused you 2 WW defeats.

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Truth April 22, 2015 at 2:32 pm

The real Hebrew Jewish people of the Holy Bible are the Negro Americans brought over in the slave trade. See the story of Esau and Jacob, See Dueteronomy 28,

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Stacie July 14, 2015 at 4:45 am

Isn’t the internet a wonderful thing? It has done quite a number on our small minds…because if you read it on the internet, well it MUST be true. I’d prefer that my source of information be the Bible, which says that the literal land of Israel will be restored in the last days. We have witnessed biblical prophecy, which is a miracle. And by the way, how ever did they get Abraham’s dna to compare it to 97% of all Jews? I mean, did all of the jewish people get their dna compared to Abrahams? Lol…And of course the black folk are the TRUE people of God, Mr. Jeremiah Wright (smh). What a racist.

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David July 14, 2015 at 8:16 am

Thank you for your comment Stacie 🙂 Yes, the internet is a wonderful thing. What you’re failing to see is that all of the witnesses on this page are Jewish, so your argument is against Jews who are proclaiming these things. They don’t need Abraham’s DNA to map out genetic lines, that is a woeful explanation. Not sure what you’re talking about in regarding to black folk and Jeremiah Wright. There is nothing about them on this study.

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MJ12 March 16, 2016 at 10:31 am

Hahaha, thank you for letting Stacie Inouye you don’t need the internet to be dumb and racist and trapped in the MATRIX of lies.

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Dijon May 7, 2016 at 5:30 am

If it is not the bible you live by than what do you live by I tell you any one who’s ancestor who was a slave or an southern American Indian who lived along the Mississippi is. The true Israelite Iam isreals light Iam the way I have the truth Immanuel and Yahweh is my foundation I walk amongst the seven sholom

Paul Renan October 16, 2015 at 4:51 am

Well one Stacie. At last a bit of truth here.It amazes me that so-called “Christian Beliefs” claims that Ariella Oppenheimer claimed in her study that Jews are Khazars. I am a keen follower of scholarly articles on population genetics and I can assure the writers of this blog she said no such thing, either in her 20022 study or any other. Deliberately misquoting someone, particularly a scientist, is called LYING. How therefore can the writers of this blog claim to led of the Lord ?

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David October 16, 2015 at 9:03 am

Paul, if you actually read the many studies on this website about the Jews in Israel, you would have seen that there are many Jewish witnesses that the majority of people called Jews are not the descendants of Abraham.

DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that, “97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.”

Dr. Dan Graur, a world-famous Jewish geneticist who served on the faculty of Tel Aviv University for 22 years and is now at the University of Houston, smiles at the distress of the Zionists. Dr. Elhaik’s research is, he said, “very honest.” Graur is the recipient of the prestigious Humboldt Award, given to the world’s top biological scientist.

In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in “The Jews and Languages of the Slavs,” said that the Jewish Yiddish language came from the Khazars, not the Hebrews.

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.

The Encyclopedia Judaica (1972) records, “Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, indendendent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries C.E. During part of this time the leading Khazaras professed Judaism… In spite of the negligible information of an archaeologica nature, the presence of Jewish groups and the impact of Jewish ideas in Eastern Europe are considerable during the Middle Ages. Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East often have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from with the former Khazar Empire.”

The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

In 1976, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler published a book called “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage.” He wrote: “The large majority of Jews after World War II in the world, were of Eastern origin-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga; not from the Canaan but from the Caucausus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race. Genetically, they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

In 2007, University of Tel Aviv history teacher, Schlomo Sand, verified their Turkish-Mongol heritage in his book called “Invention of the Jewish People.” He says that the “Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection.”

Rabbinical Torah Jews protest the Zionist state of Israel and say that is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism. They believe that the Ashkenazi Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/who-are-jews/

If you support the Jews, then you should listen to their witness about the leaders of the nation of Israel.

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MJ12 March 16, 2016 at 10:33 am

Truth always seems to baffle the willfully ignorant. Lord bless. 😎💕😇

Dizhon Dijon May 7, 2016 at 5:35 am

They have no authority to Dna test who the Jewels of God is who embody the light because there history has been strip because of the ancestors disobiedence but this generation will awake by the king light because it shall shine like the sun and moon and stars

Stacie July 14, 2015 at 4:53 am

You do realize that archaeological evidence proves without doubt that the land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jews don’t you? Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. You do realize that the Jews are the ones who were being “ethnically cleansed” from the world, hence the need for the rebuilding of the jewish homeland? Hence the motto “never again”, don’t you? You do realize that many famous writers visited the homeland and wrote about what a desert wasteland, how absolutely uninhabitable it was, don’t you? See Mark Twain…and you do realize that “palestine” included egypt and jordan, yet the Palestinians want no parts of them. I wonder why? Well it certainly isn’t rocket science to figure it out. You do realize that the land of Israel is approximately the same size as Vermont, right? I mean, the Muslims have the entire Middle east to fight over, but it’s Israel that they want…of course it is. Because if any “ethnic cleansing” must take place the Q’uran tells us that we must kill the jew and the christian. Your “facts” are disgusting. I’d like to see you shove them, literally, up your back side.

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David July 14, 2015 at 8:20 am

Thank you for your comment Stacie 🙂 Nobody said the land is not the Israel of the Bible. Again, the “facts” are from Jews, they are not mine. Your disgusting comments are to them. Did you bother to listen to the videos and read about the DNA studies from these Jews?

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Marcus gibbons September 11, 2015 at 1:02 pm

Negros Hispanics and. Native Americans are the real Israelites of the bible the only people who can claim all the cuurses of Deuteronomy chapter 28 vers 1-15-68 blessings and cuurses we were brought here by ship and put into captivity slavery bondage cause we not African American that’s two continent’s most expensive lies in the world we are Hebrew Israelites this book the bible is about how we came out of slavery went back into slavery and still in slavery today we fought to get on the front of the bus now we just walk straight to the back it’s all in our minds now programmed slavery the whole book is about different shades of Brown Negros and when I say Negros I mean so called Hispanics so called African Americans and so called native Americans we all went into slavery trans Atlantic slave trade ever heard of this Africans sold us they didn’t sale other Africans they wouldn’t do that check your research and look it up who would have thought the people that get treated like shit the most for almost 400 years could actually be the ones of the bible they were lost now there found

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Gail September 19, 2015 at 8:53 pm

Unfortunately, Marcus, you overlooked the BLESSINGS of the tribes, particularly Ephraim and Manasseh, and there are only TWO countries which have fulfilled both the blessings AND are now reaping the curses of the passages you state. That would be America and Great Britain, along with most of Western Europe as the other 10 tribes. You have to take ALL the scriptures about something, not just cherry-pick them. The prophecies of Ephraim in Isaiah 28 alone refute your claims of Black Hebrew Israelites.

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GoGo October 1, 2015 at 2:08 pm

Ummm… read it. That did not prove that any color of skin was not who they claimed Mrs Gail.

Great Britain and the USA are the extension of the Byzantine empire… where did you think the “Bald Eagle” idea came from??? Because we would rise up on wings as Eagles???? NO.

The blessings WERE RULED OUT…

Have you not read the Old Testament??? YOD HE VAH HE said not only would he do AWAY with ITS chosen people until they were rescued in the Valley, in the last battle.

Last I checked there were plenty of verses that spoke of a FAKE Israel being established until the prophecies were fulfilled.

Nya Nealy April 28, 2016 at 3:06 am

True.

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Liza September 26, 2015 at 4:39 pm

You are not alone Stacie! Anti-semit at its fullest! The same spirit that gave birth to Hitler, has now given birth to grand children and great grand children! Teaching replacement-theology!! God is NOT done with Israel, he loves them and will restore them! God bless Israel!

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Pam October 18, 2015 at 2:56 pm

Lisa, Stacy stop listening to John Hagee. He is a deceiver. Read the Bible yourselves. From Genesis to Revelation God tells you of these”fake” Jews. Maybe you don’t belong to God and that’s why you can’t see it.Jesus told the Jews You will not see me again until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Loed.”. God IS done with the natural nation of Israel. You are worshipping the beast, Satan.

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Eddie November 3, 2015 at 3:29 am

The idea that God “is done with the Jews” and now He only deals with Christians, is a lie from the devil. It completely contradicts Romans 11. Romans 11:19-23, clearly warns the non-Jew believers not to be arrogant concerning the Jews, because as they have been cut-off due to their unbelief, if you continue in your arrogance, you run the risk of also being cut-off.

karen Graves November 10, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Wow, Stacie, I am listening to you, as well as others, but if you are a Christian, how can you talk to your Brother like that? There is a way to discuss these things, even if you are angry, without sinning. This just is not the place for that kind of talk. I know David can handle it but it is not a good witness and you are less credible when you talk like that. I am not trying to judge you, rather admonish you. “May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing to you, Oh Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer!” Just concerned about your witness! You lose people when you talk like that. God Bless you,

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D. Bailey March 15, 2016 at 11:38 pm

Good word!

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Valerie February 18, 2016 at 6:07 pm

You’re obviously not led by the spirit of truth, so what spirit is it that would cause you to speak to.a brother in Christ. That way? Or indeed anyone
You lack any credibility when you talk this way

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LYNN February 26, 2016 at 11:15 pm

Stacie, let me correct you. I am a Muslim and the Quran does not state that we must kill the Christians or Jews, in fact we should not kill any humans. We are the believers of the 4 books. The Zabur, The Torah, The Bible and the Quran. They are considered our brothers and descendents Abraham. Pls do not misinterpret the Quran. We believe in Peace and Love and everyone should live in harmony, respecting one another despite race, color or creed. Humans are the ones that create chaos using the name of religion for their own benefits. Terrorism is a non Islamic act. For Muslims, we detest that.

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Rebecca May 10, 2016 at 3:16 am

Mohammed spend alot of his time in the Qu’ran and the other books about ‘infidels’ and Jews and Christian’s being pigs. To slaughter them wherever you may find them and smite them at their necks. The beginning of the Qu’ran was peaceful, but bloodthirsty and murderous by the end. there are over 300 violent verses in the Qu’ran.

I’m sorry, but your ‘God’ and idol are from Satan. Mohammed was a warlord, murderer, rapist pedophile. The original terrorist.

I don’t think I have read the same ‘Holy’ books as you have and anywhere there is a significant percentage of Muslims, there is civil unrest.

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Dizhon the anointed one May 7, 2016 at 5:39 am

All who live close to Israel have a duty to God to protect it until the real jewels come back from America and the isles

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MJ12 March 16, 2016 at 10:28 am

Clearly you are unplugged from the Matrix (of lies)

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ilovejesus October 23, 2014 at 11:49 am

It is really ironic to see ashkenazi fake jews yell and shout to white christians that you are anti semitic when in fact it is they ashkenazims who masscre real semitic descendants of real jews. I strngly agree with the article above in that apocalypse is near at hand for pseudo jews killing real jews and causing christians into sins is obvious omen of the end time.

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David October 23, 2014 at 3:33 pm

Thank you for your comment 🙂 The Zionist Jews in the modern state of Israel is one of the enemies greatest deceptions. Zionist Israel is controlled by the Jesuits through the Rothchild family. They use it to control the Middle East, to deceive Christians about prophecy fulfillment, and it is the place where they will stage their False Messiah in their New World Order.

There are many Rabbinical Torah Jews who believe that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name Israel and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people! They believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism.

Blessings to you in your search for truth!
David

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Ian September 14, 2015 at 2:17 am

David I posted a reply to you along the line that NOT ALL Rabbiinical TORAH JEWS (HEBREWS if you like) think the same way as the ones on the video you posted. There is a ‘Jewish’ saying that goes along this line – 2 Jews, 3 opinions.
The same can be said for a lot of other folks too.

You speak about how bad the Zionists are who have set up the present State of Israel; therfore the present State of Israel is invalid. Are you God?
It is plain that God has used wicked men as he has in all generations to bring about His own purposes for the children of Jacob. Do you remember a fellow called Baalam…Numbers 22 etc?
A false prophet if ever there was one, spoke absolute truth about God and His chosen seed of Jacob. In one of Baalam’s prophecies is a statement that is not repeated anywhere else in Scripture it goes like this – “God is not a man that he should lie…” Num 23:19.
A false prophet said that David. But God has validated His words, because God put them in the fellow’s mouth. And who are we to say that the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob has not put it into the minds of wicked men to set up Israel as the homeland for His people the Hebrews…also known in the Bible as Jews?
America has had its fair share of wicked men who have been instrumental to bless many many who call themselves by the name of Christ. And God wasn’t in that either I suppose…!!?? Of course He has been. God does not need to ask our advice as to how he should run the affairs of His earth.

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David September 14, 2015 at 7:49 am

The majority of witnesses on this page are Jews. Argue with them. I did not say that ALL Torah Jews opposed Zionist Israel. Stop twisting my words. But the fact that you ignore the witness of these Torah Jews, who you proclaim to support, defies logic.

Here are their websites. Maybe you should listen to what they are proclaiming.

True Torah Jews http://www.truetorahjews.org/our_mission

Jews United Against Zionism http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/whatzionism.cfm

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Ian September 14, 2015 at 9:05 pm

David, I aplogize for inferring that you meant all Zion Jews, by my use of the ‘all’ word. Forgive me. It is something that I strive to avoid.

Most of the Jewish intelligentsia were opposed to Jesus Christ in His day. Let me ask the question; How many Torah Jews of today accept Jesus Christ of Nazareth as their Messiah, and who hold to the view which you are espousing?
This question may APPEAR to have nothing to do with the legitimacy of the modern Israel State, but it is connected. It is connected because of our Lord’s appearances and promises to Abraham which included the land of Promise. And Jesus is the King of that piece of land as a dsecendant of David the king of Israel

Many Jews (Torah or not), because they have not been born of the Spirit of God cannot understand their own Hebrew prophecies. Remember, Jesus was the one who had to open the understanding of His own dsiciples after His resurrection.
I want to repeat a well known comment of Biblical prophecy that has been around longer than me, that is; that Biblical prophecy often has multiple applications, to be enacted over time, and has a final climatic fulfillment.
John said that there are many antichrists; but none of those were ‘THE antichrist of the last of the last days, the one that John said “you heard that the antichrist is coming”, whom he describes later as being cast directly into the Lake of Fire.
Some details in Matthew 24 fit this category. But the detail of the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and much glory, is a once off event.
This great event of the Son of Man coming v 30-31, is mentioned before the statement ‘of v34. I think that speaks for itself.

Dizhon May 7, 2016 at 5:49 am

Sholom because it is his foot stool there’s this white saying people fear what they don’t understand . People will destroy what they don’t believe and people will replace truth because they have the power to do so it is white because Iam black as jasper.lets be clear the bible says if you are not a true Israelite who is of the line of the twelve then they have no authority to teach or preach or even understand the wisdom and knowledge of God Yahweh so all those who not fit will perish and those who awake will be save because of their mighty repentance every knee shall bow

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Katherine October 30, 2014 at 2:50 am

My boyfriend and I have recently “found out” I guess you would say about these false Jews in the state of Israel. I stumbled upon this article and am glad I found it, it kind of sums up everything my research has said all in one page. THIS DESPERATELY NEEDS TO BECOME WELL-KNOWN TO EVERY CHRISTIAN OUT THERE. Ignorant (sorry) people who aren’t seeing what all the facts point out, and who aren’t reading what is right in front of them in their Bible, are blindly following this “tradition” of supporting Israel. The Ashkenazi are descended from Jeffeth and Gomer, Noah’s son and grandson. Abraham and ALL TRUE ISRAELITES are descended from Noah’s son Shem. The Israelites were forbidden to mate with any of the Hittites, which are the descendants of Jeffeth. The Hittites are the ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews. It adds up and you don’t have to take this page, nor my advice, just go see for yourself READ YOUR BIBLE! IM BEGGING YOU. IF YOU SUPPORT THIS NATION OF ISRAEL YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.

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David October 30, 2014 at 2:54 am

Thank you for your comment Katherine 🙂 The enemy is destroyed when it’s deceptions are exposed. I pray that you share these truths with all that are teachable and desire TRUTH! Blessings to you! David

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Aleem March 15, 2015 at 8:01 pm

One step further, the Jews currently in Israel are the descendants of those who converted to Judaism in the 7th century. They have no blood line to any of the Hebrew lineage. Their people were pagans and worshiped multiple gods.

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David March 15, 2015 at 8:28 pm

Thank you for your comment Aleem 🙂 Agreed, they are ‘Jews’ by religion only. DNA studies prove that 95% of the people who call themselves Jews are not the descendents of Abraham, and most are Turkish-Mongol bloodlines from Khazaria. Here is a study that covers the DNA studies http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/jews-dna-studies/

Grace and peace to you in Christ’s name,
David

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Jawahar April 5, 2015 at 11:36 pm

So, The creation in Israel is an end of time prophecy by Jesus. It will be destroyed by the god in the time to come ?

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David April 6, 2015 at 7:57 am

Thank you for your comment Jawahar 🙂 I am not aware of any prophecy by Jesus about the creation of the modern state of Israel. Israel may be attacked and destroyed in WW III, which would cause the world to cry out for an end to religious wars, and usher in the evil one’s New World Order. Keep learning and growing! David

GoGo October 1, 2015 at 2:11 pm

True.

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Dizhon daat gracious god May 7, 2016 at 5:56 am

Sholom you know them who say they are Jews but I have one thing against you you worship in the Devils synoguge be cause of false prophets the pope because of false hood 1948 the the state of Israel because you still worship idols depicted as my angels because you have little faith and because you can not see the spirit and feel the the presence of the spirit depart from your wicked ways and see that the light of God will shine on you sholom this is not judgement this is eternal knowledge not by me but by God Yahweh through the the power of the first coming of Christ.

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Abigail November 20, 2014 at 2:29 pm

I was an orthodox Jew in name only. I have always disputed the fact that we must pray for Israel and stand by with monetary gifts because it’s not about Israel or the Jews, it’s all about Jesus our Saviour. We who are being saved are all one in Messiah; we are all spiritual Jews; there is no difference at all. I pray for my Jewish brethren just as much as I pray for my non believing Gentile friends. One night, because of the Jewish persecution going on now, I prayed to God asking Him to let me know whether I should immigrate Israel. He showed me in a dream that I would be drinking from a worthless cup if I went because the dead are dead! Besides many other evil things taking place we must remember that Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the world; I have witnessed from the broadwalk, the most depraved evil acts taking place on the beaches in Tel Aviv in broad daylight; I had walk away quickly unable to comprehend for a while, what I had just seen. AND people are wanting to support that evil nation???

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David November 20, 2014 at 2:49 pm

Thank you for your comment Abigail 🙂 Praise God you can see the truth about the the state of Israel. Their fruit reveals that they are rotten indeed.

The evil one has caused the followers of Christ to not realize what they are, God’s Chosen People. The remnant has always been the Chosen One’s. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, the prophets, etc., all trusted by faith that the promised Messiah would atone for their sins. The vast majority of the Israelites chose to worship other gods and were not saved.

John the Baptist, the disciples who were of the House of Israel and the House of Judah, Paul the Apostle, the 3,000 Jews who were saved on Pentecost, etc., all trusted by faith in the atoning work of Christ on the cross. The vast majority of the Jews rejected Him as their Messiah and were lost.

Today the remnant believes in Christ’s atoning work alone, but the majority of people reject Him and are lost. Jews forbid one another to read the New Testament, so they blind themselves to the truth about their Messiah.

There has always been a remnant who believed. The only thing that has changed is that Jesus offered His New Covenant, where He put His law in our minds and wrote it on our hearts.

Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendents is offered to them in the New Covenant. A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

Grace and peace and love to you in Christ’s name, David

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MJ12 March 16, 2016 at 10:45 am

Lord bless and keep you and your generations my dear. Ruth will always set you free, but there are those with thr devils hooks in them walking if not in the dark but in the shadows.
Their Dobson is up to them, reject Christ reject God…no salvation.
Just metro doing your part, metro shining your Light. 😇💓😎💗😃

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Dijon Dizhon May 7, 2016 at 6:36 am

To Abigail it says a man without dreams and versions will perish so I give you just one of the many I have dream : I was walking amongst the people of the earth and the world was in ruin and I was given a message to give to the people but people did not want to believe who I was and what I was givin but gods patience was at hand and he shook the earth and all who was around me fell and I fell they fell in a circle around me and I was in the middle also on the ground and God lifted my body to heaven and then I stop right before I was able to go in to the last heaven and the spirit was lifted into the last heaven and the people was watching on the ground as I floated in the heaven. And then I came back down . This dream is not to be interpented by any one who can not see or posses the spirit and of the spirit . When I woke the spirit came to me and told me the book you understand and now eat John 14

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Bill Kilpatrick November 24, 2014 at 10:47 pm

Are you saying that the so called Jews that occupy israel now are not the chosen people. Will God not deliver them from the Muslim hoards that want to make war with them. So who will occupy Israel in the future. All Christians will loose their faith if God does not deliver the occupants of isreal. This is a big deal. It will bring a lot of doubt as most Christians want to see this happen as it will show Gods power in today’s time frame. We are talking about Faith lost. If God does not save the land of Israel. I believe it could cause so called Christians to kill themselves.

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David November 25, 2014 at 5:44 am

Thank you for your comment Bill 🙂 The article says that Rabbinical Torah Jews believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent true Jews or Judaism. They believe that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

The DNA studies prove that most people called Jews are not the descendents of Abraham, but they are descendants of people who converted to Judaism. Put the two together and you can see the truth… that the enemy has created the modern state of Israel to deceive Christians about the end times, and to control Jerusalem so that they can stage their False Messiah in their New World Order.

You are right, when Muslims countries attack Israel in WW III, Christians will be distraught that God didn’t defend his supposed Chosen people. This will cause the world to cry out for peace, and the evil ones will usher in their New World Order in the name of peace and safety.

The evil one has caused the followers of Christ to not realize what they are, God’s Chosen People. The remnant has always been the Chosen One’s. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, the prophets, etc., all trusted by faith that the promised Messiah would atone for their sins. The vast majority of the Israelites chose to worship other gods and were not saved.

John the Baptist, the disciples who were of the House of Israel and the House of Judah, Paul the Apostle, the 3,000 Jews who were saved on Pentecost, etc., all trusted by faith in the atoning work of Christ on the cross. The vast majority of the Jews rejected Him as their Messiah and were lost.

Today the remnant believes in Christ’s atoning work alone, but the majority of people reject Him and are lost. Jews forbid one another to read the New Testament, so they blind themselves to the truth about their Messiah.

There has always been a remnant who believed. The only thing that has changed is that Jesus offered His New Covenant, where He put His law in our minds and wrote it on our hearts.

Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendents is offered to them in the New Covenant. A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

The promises that were made to Abraham are ultimately to those who believe by faith, not his physical descendents.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, etc. all believed that the Messiah would come and atone for their sins. We look back on that event.

Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised. “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendents ARE NOT the children of God. “For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God. “Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ. “Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns. The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

Blessings to you! David

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Cathy August 31, 2015 at 7:23 pm

This is one Christian who will lose faith if God does NOT destroy the fake Israel. No Christian, not one, ever ever ever thought that the Jews should be given land in Israel until they repent and accept Christ. Not until, the evil Scolfield Bible and its notes. Google it.

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Jobe December 7, 2014 at 1:46 am

I am a Christian , I believe in Jesús and God and attend my Christian church in Los Angeles…I enjoy googling end times info and like reading many different websites about the end times signs and I came across this website. Franklin I am very shocked and half of me dosent want to believe it.. I had even placed pictures of Israel and support slogans on my Facebook page. My church uses the “star of david” regularly as a symbol.. I read that Jesús said that this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled and everyone says that that started in may 14 1948 when Israel became a state. That Jesús was ttalking about the parable of the fig tree….how about that?

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David December 7, 2014 at 3:17 am

Thank you for your comment Jobe 🙂 Yeah, I was shocked to learn all of the things listed in the study too, as I was always taught to support Israel. But the Lord reveals these truths to me and it is my role to help others see them too. I pray for the true Jews, that they read the New Testament to find their Messiah.

Regarding Jesus saying this generation shall not pass until all these thing be fulfilled, He was speaking about things which indeed took place in the generation. In Matthew 23 He had just condemned the Jewish leaders and said that all the righteous blood of the prophets would come upon them in that generation.

Then He proclaimed that the temple would be destroyed, which is the proper context of the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. The disciples asked Him about it, and He described what would occur and what would be the sign for them to escape. Read this study on the fulfillment of Daniel 12 to see how the Jews and the temple were desolated in 70 A.D. by the Roman army. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/daniel-12-prophecy-deception/

Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised. “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendents ARE NOT the children of God. “For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God. “Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ. “Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns. The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

Grace and peace and love to you in Christ’s name, David

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Ricky August 21, 2015 at 2:45 pm

*Amen….!

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Ian August 22, 2015 at 6:36 am

David
you quoted “Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns. The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.”
I doubt ther is one nation on the face of the earth that does not have some of the world’s elite rulers (NWO – people) meddling in their affairs and calling the shots. Rothschild’s may have financed the stting up of the modern State of Israel. As a nation it is very godless in many respects, but that is preciely why Paul says by the Holy Ghost that Israel as an ethnic nation will be saved (Rom 11).
The ‘church’ has not replaced Israel at all. Israel, the children of Abraham, thorugh Isaac and through Jacob, to whom God gave the name Israel,
God aint’ finished with the nation of Israel yet. Of course every single person must repent and believe in jesus Christ and do what He says, taking up their cross daily and follow after Jesus, regardless of race or ethnicity.
In the kingdom of God there is no Jew or Gentile, just as there is no male or female either in God’s Kingdom.
But in this temporal realm, where men still rule, we still are bound by the distinctions between a man and a woman. A man still takes a woman to be his wife. A boy still needs to be treated as a boy and a girl as a girl. As long as this earth remains, and we live in these mortal bodies, there will be distinctions in our social interaction between Jew and gentile, Greek and others, male and female, slave and free.
God told Jeremiah “If My covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth: Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, for I will cause thier captivity to return, and have mercy on them.” Jer 33:25, 26.

God is speaking about the Jews, who now have been joined as one in the hand of God and no more a divided nation. Ezekiel 37 God said long ago He will bring the House of Joseph (Ephraim, the ten tribes) and the House of Judah (Judah and Benjamin) together so that they will no longer be two but one, and they WILL be brought back to the land God promised Abraham – from the little river of Egypt to the Euphrates. Though much of this territory is still to be reclaimed later, Jews live in modern Israel because God has called them back there and he has used wicked men to bring this miracle about.
Quote (type in palestine facts.org) “Where did the name Palestine come from?” The name Palestine is given to the region spreading from eastern Mediterranean coast to the Jordan Valley to the area covering Galilee Lake in the north and southern Negev Desert. The origin of this word lies in “Plesheth”. This is a name appearing frequently in the Bible and have started being known as “Philistine” in English. The world root of “Plesheth” lies in the word “palah” was is a term used generally in the sense of migratory, referring to the Palestinian’s conquest of the coast of Mediterranean. These people were mostly originates of Asia Minor and Greece and gradually became a part of the Arab world…. In AD 135, the Emperor Hadrian blotted out the name “Provincia Judea” and renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”. This was the Latin version of the Greek name and soon became a name to be used as an administrative unit. This name was shortened to Palaestina and the name “Palestine” was derived from it as a modern and anglicized version.”

There never was a Palestinian nation or culture of language. The people who became known as Palestinians were Arabs or folk who had embraced Arab religion, culture, language and custom.
The land now known as Israel was in ancient times ‘Canaan’, bearing the mane of Ham’s son Canaan – Gen 10:19. It is an integral part of the covenant that Almighty God made with His friend (Abram) Abraham (Genesis 15.7-16)
Don’t forget what God told Abram in Genesis 12:1-3.

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Ian September 4, 2015 at 10:53 pm

David,
may I raise v21 re your answer re Matthew 24. What has the Lord told you about v21? If the words of our Lord Jesus are only applicable to that generation in which He lived and has long passed, then so does v21 and 22 apply to that generation exclusively.
He raises at least two main points in 21, 22: 1.no greater tribulation; 2.no flesh would be saved.
‘For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
How may Jews were slaughtered in that tribulation of 70AD in Judea? 1 million. 2 or 3 million?
Does that number exceed all other slaughters of Jews by what ever means and for whatever reasons in generations superceding that generation?

Unless you dioscount the tribulation of 6 million Jews in the Nazi death camps, and all those Jews that died under the terror of Stalin (unless you say they were not Jews) doesn’t the later tribulations on the Jews exceed the former one of 70AD?
Adolph Hitler said back in 1933, “The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were …. I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church …” Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933. (http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gbf_jews.htm)

But let’s put the Jewish question aside for the moment.
Jesus is talking to all His disciples. His propehcies in this chapter, are for any disciple of any generation to observe and apply.
Mankind has never been in a more fragile position than this generation. At the touch of a button, if God allowed it, mankind could wipe Himself off the face of the earth, even to blow up the planet perhaps.
It may be postulated that World war 2 saw more people killed than any amount of killing by Roman legions over their entire ruling period to say nothing of the year 70AD. Certainly WW1 and 2 combined. To say nothing of the coming WW3
Tribulation? No greater tribulation than 70AD? All the earth’s population in threat of extinction at 70AD? Hmmmm.
The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ knew full well what each generation’s tribulation would amount to in fatalities. He knew more Jews let alone all flesh would suffer later than at 70AD.
70AD is but a partial fulfillment of waht Jesus was talking about.
I would like to read your answer on this Q David.

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David September 5, 2015 at 12:39 pm

Thank you for your comment Ian 🙂 I trust my Messiah’s words in verse 34 “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

Six million Jews did not die in Germany. Experts testify that the gas chambers could have never worked. Experts show that the population numbers of Jews did not fall. Experts have estimated the number of Jews who died at 1 million. They pushed the narrative to help justify the creation of the Zionist state of Israel.

When you understand the visual of what Jerusalem looked like in 70 A.D., you understand Messiah’s words.

So let’s take Messiah at His word and see how in fact His words were fulfilled, when the people of the prince, the Roman army invaded Judea, to desolate the temple, the city of Jerusalem, and the Jewish people.

Here is a summary of what happened, as documented by Jewish historian Josephus:

On the way through Judea to Jerusalem, the Roman army killed Jews by the 10 thousands in the outlying cities. They invaded Judea from the north, marching along the coast, and killing many – 18,000 at Askelon alone.

The Roman army surrounded Jerusalem, cutting off the food supply. Warring factions inside the city destroyed the granaries. This led to a severe famine, killing many. Josephus records that the famine widened its progress and devoured the people by whole houses and families. The upper rooms were full of women and children dying by famine; and the lanes of the city were full of the dead bodies of the aged.

People killed each other as they fought over food. The most horrible and unbelievable torments were inflicted upon all who were suspected of having any food concealed.

The city was divided against itself with rival groups. The most violent party in the city was the Zealots. These called to their aid a band of blood thirsty Idumeans, who set upon the people who were peaceably inclined, and slaughtered young and old until the outer temple was all of it overflowed with blood, and that day they saw 8500 dead bodies there.

But as for the seditious bands themselves, they fought against each other while trampling upon the dead bodies which lay heaped one upon another, and being filled with a mad rage from those dead bodies under their feet, they became the more fierce. They, moreover, were still inventing pernicious things against each other; and when they had resolved upon anything, they executed it without mercy, and omitted no method of torment or of barbarity.

Josephus also tells of the terrible torments inflicted upon nobles and citizens of the better sort who refused to comply with the demands of the Zealots. Those, after being horribly tortured, were slain, and through fear, none dared bury them. In this way 12,000 of the more eminent inhabitants perished.

The noise of those that were fighting was incessant, both by day and by night; but the lamentations of those that mourned exceeded the noise of the fighting.

The dead bodies were not taken outside the city and buried, for fear of being killed, so they stacked up around the city. The blood of all sort of dead carcases stood in lakes in the holy courts themselves.

Pestilence from unclean conditions caused diseases and death.

One man, with the consent of his family, killed his parents, his children, his wife and himself; to save themselves from a worse fate.

A woman, eminent for her family and her wealth, who, while suffering the ravages of famine, slew her infant son and roasted him, and having eaten half of him, concealed the other half.

Because the food supply was cut off by the Romans, Jews out of desperation would sneak out of the city walls at night to find food. They were captured, tortured and crucified by the Roman army. At one point 500 a night were being crucified on the trees around the city, so that all of the trees had multiple bodies on them. And these bodies were not taken down, but left up there to rot and be eaten by birds and animals.

In 70 A.D. when the people of the prince, the Roman army flooded into Jerusalem, they killed the remaining Jews with the sword, trampling over dead bodies.

Birds, dogs and wild animals, ate the flesh of the fallen.

15,000 fugitive Jews were killed by the Romans, and the number of those that were forced to leap into the Jordan was prodigious. The whole country through which they fled was filled with slaughter, and Jordan could not be passed over, by reason of the dead bodies that were in it.

97,000 were taken captive and sold cheaply to places like Egypt, as if back into bondage.

Now visualize the Holy City of Jerusalem with the bodies of 1 million Jews heaped up on all sides, in the temple and all around the city, and hanging in the trees outside the city.

Of this period of great tribulation Jewish historian Josephus says, in the introduction of his ‘Wars of the Jews‘ historical documentary.

It had come to pass that our city Jerusalem had arrived at a higher degree of felicity than any other city under the Roman government, and yet at last fell into the sorest of calamities again. Accordingly it appears to me that the misfortunes of all men from the beginning of the world, if they be compared to those of the Jews, are not so considerable as they were.”

The sufferings of the Jews had this peculiar characteristic, namely, that they were mostly inflicted upon themselves by the warring factions within the city, concerning whom Joseph says in another place:

It is impossible to go distinctly over every instance of these men’s iniquity. I shall, therefore, speak my mind here at once briefly: That neither did any other city ever suffer such miseries, nor did any age ever breed a generation more fruitful in wickedness than this was, from the beginning of the world” (Wars V. 10:5).

I’ll keep on trusting my Messiah’s words, as He has provided a witness in Jewish historian Josephus.

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Ian September 6, 2015 at 8:40 am

David, let’s say you are right on the Hitler holocaust, and 6 mill Jews were not killed at the hand of the Nazis.
Will you also deny what God told Abram about the land his children would inherit, which promise was confirmed to Isaac, and Jacob, and God says that He appeared to the three of them?
Will you dimsiis that track of land, described in Genesis 15:18 as being promised to Abram, later Abraham, and his son – Isaac, and his son Jacob who was named Israel by God?
Jesus Himself said that Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus’ day – John 8:56-58. The Jews knew what Jesus meant, that Jesus appeared to Abraham. And this Jesus, our Lord, promised Abram/Abraham that piece of land.
Just one thing about Josephus. Josephus was speaking of centuries prior to his day up till his day, not centuries later, David.
What Jospehus describes about the Roman’s treatment of the Jews is horrific. No one can dispute that. But…

Jesus (Mat 24) says that unless the Lord had shortened those day for the elect sake “no flesh” would be saved. “No flesh” is not talking about one ethnic group. It’s plain meaning encompasses all ethnic groups in a given time period.
Also “this gospel shall be preached in all the world relates to our day not to 70AD in Judea, it may include Judea, but it is worldwide in its appplication. That statement comes before the ‘no flesh” would be saved.
But if Jesus was speaking of Jews only, and only in His time period or 1st Century period, He would have used a national identity term like Israel, or a generic term identifying Israel – Jews. He doesn;t do that he uses a broad term.
David, you speak of experts; which ‘experts’ refute the killing of the 6 m. Jews under Hitler’s terror reign. Oh…just remembered. Stalin also killed tens of millions of people during his reign of terror. But that did not constitute a danger to ‘all flesh’.

Where did Jesus refer to Josephus or authenticate his records of Jewish killings as being final for all generations?

Bruce January 22, 2016 at 12:23 am

Why is it on the other thread I read an hour ago everything was about the Jesuits and now on this thread everything you are saying focuses on the real problem: The fake Jews. This thread is fantastic and 100 percent in line with everything I’ve ever discovered. I just don’t understand the Jesuit nonsense.

Gali December 30, 2014 at 5:36 am

Jobe don’t put down your guard. Keep going Brother dont let the devil kill What the Lord our God has built I to am A PRO ISRAEL supporter never been to Israel. But i dont need to cause i dont believe by sight I Believe by Faith.

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CA July 6, 2015 at 7:03 pm

To Gali: Beware, because then you worshipping the Assyrian star, brought by Solomon’s forbidden Assyrians wives, the figure condemned in the Old Testament, submitting yourself to the occult, and telling Jobe to do the same. That occultic “star”, misnomered the “Seal of Solomon” before it was ever deceivingly misnomered ” the star of David” ( who never knew the thing) was part of human sacrifice to satan using the names Ba’al and Molech, UTTERLY CONDEMNED BY YHWH. The Assyrian “star” is kabbalaic witchcraft that is COMPLETELY about idolatry of satan. BEWARE exalting it or any power structure that does, and Beware telling anyone to honor it. Gali, the soul that honors occultic symbols and the agenda thereof, is already deep in deception.

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Ian September 4, 2015 at 11:24 pm

You are right CA in condemning occult symbols. But also be mindful or “Beware” as you say of speaking against what God is doing for His people – HIS people, the sons of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham the friend of God. Genesis 12:1-3. A blessing or a curse; it’s that simple.
God has used wicked men to serve His many purposes over the centuries of human existence.
We do not support wicked men at least not knowingly, but we must not dismiss either, the fact that God has usd corrupt men to return a people to the very geographic location He had promised Abraham by oath and which He affirmed to Isaac and Jacob, and then to Moses and Joshua.

The land now called Israel is but part of the land God promised Abraham which his decendants through Isaac and Jacob would possess. And the UN is about to carve that up too. Woe to them!
Let’s also remember that Jacob was renamed by God to “Israel” because he a mere man prevailed with God, which is what the name Israel means prince or ruler with God. Gen 32:28.
It is only right that the land God promised to the children of Jacob and those who wish to come under his posterity, should be named by the father’s name given by God.

The fact that God has blessed the land which had becoem a misnomer, a curse, now bears fruit and products for all the earth. I have even had the opportunity in Australia to buy peanut butter made, and fruit grown, in Israel. Not bad either.
And before you dismiss these facts, may I ask the following:
Your personal wealth, your assets, the things that you own, has it all come to you ONLY through Bible believing Christians who are sold out to Jesus. THAT WOULD BE A MIRACLE.
If you have been able to benefit by the work and effort of corrupt godless people even the Roths’s and the Packers and any who hate Jesus Christ, even to employ you, or grant you benefits of some kind, it seems a bit hypocritical to judge those who know themselves to be Jews to gain the land God promised to their forefathers by corrupt men.

If you have do any money transactions using US currency …Beware, as youy say, because that currency has the eye of Horus – an occultic symbol; stay clear of it. The pentagram is everywhere, are you sure you don’t have it somewhere among your stuff, in books?

I do not say this to condemn you CA but to raise points you may not have thought about. Let us all be aware and help and pray for one another in these days of tribulation…even all those who are seeking the truth in Jesus Christ.
peace to you all
Ian

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GoGo October 1, 2015 at 2:17 pm

Truth.

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Amppurulaa December 15, 2014 at 6:12 am

Hi!
I find this website and i am so blessed to read this! I have same thoughts and havent ever really get that christianzionism in a first place.. This was very inspirating to read all this 🙂

I think that State of Israel is part of deception mentioned in 2 Thess 2 chapter.

Be blessed 🙂

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David December 15, 2014 at 6:23 am

Thank you for your comment 🙂 I wish that more Christians understood the truth about the Zionist state of Israel. Many have fallen away from truth, that is sure. We need to pray for the true Jews to come to know their Messiah, and we need to expose the deceptions. “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.” Ephesians 5:11 Grace and peace and love to you in Christ’s name, David

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Juris Descartes December 16, 2014 at 9:05 pm

Hi everyone,im so glad to found this website.i am a reformed christian from indonesia.most of the christian people on here are supporting the state of modern israel and sadly lots of church leaders also support this act.me and some friends made a christian forum called the national evangelical training.our mission is to tell the christian people in here about the truth of the Gospel that we as the christian people should not support the modern state of israel.almost 50% of israel citizen are secular jews and most of them support same sex marriage.

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David December 16, 2014 at 9:29 pm

Thank you for your comment Juris 🙂 Trust me, most Christians in the United State are deceived by the Zionist state of Israel. I try to educate them, but they have been programmed by the enemy. Keep fighting the good fight Juris! Grace and peace and love to you in Christ’s name, David

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Gali December 30, 2014 at 5:03 am

Well i didnt know how Bad Satan has slid its way Into the Hearts and Minds of the Saints.

I Will not be apart of the Falling Away Movement.

Israel today exist because Jesus Christ is the Fullfilment of Promises. Do we believers truly believe satans lies that Israel today is not Israel of Ancient times? That we should not Support Israel because of what a mere human thinks?

Listen children. When Jesus Christ was crusified Our Father should have wiped out Israel and never again would we hear of Israelites ever again. But How can our Mighty God be unfaithful to the Believing Israelites of Ancient time?Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Noah, Samson, Gideon, Former king of Israel David son of Jessi, Zechariah, Ezekiel, Daniel, The 12 Apostles, and the Jews who believed In the New Testament Did not God say to Abraham that The Land of Canaan would be His and his ancestors after him through Isaac and Jacob? How than has satan poisoned the hearts and minds of his chosen Saints?

Our Father sent His Only Beggoten Son to fullfill all promises Our Father made to The Prophets of Ancient Time. To restore Man and Break Sin to be the Bridge to the Father. Israel is surrounded by enemy nations yet God has shown that Even if Israel is like a carcass ready for vultures to devour God Protects the Nation he Established through Abraham. God protects the Nation whom he has given to Jesus Christ as an inheritance One day Yeshua will come back to Claim what is his.

Children If God himself is known as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the God of Israel the True Living God. Than the reason why We his Children should Support Israel because Israel has never had a different God. Like The Surrounding Nations. Egypt never had allah in the days of Abraham, yet Abraham followed our Father. So let us never forget the Believers of Ancient time who Had fellowship with our Father and Stand for Israel not because jews dont believe but because We Honor our God. We Praise and Worship his Begotten Son Jesus Christ. We Stand up for the Nation where the Message of The Lord our God was Born.

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David December 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm

How easily people are deceived. The enemy uses a people called ‘Jews’ in a state called ‘Israel’, and Christians believe they are the Jews and Israel of the Bible. Christians exalt these Jews and the state of Israel so much that they support their killing Palestinians and all Muslims for that matter. Oh how Satan must laugh at the Zionist Christians, for they know not the Word of God. Some day you will stand before our Messiah and account for your support of a people that are not the descendents of Abraham. I pray that you can see the truth before it is too late.

There are many Torah Jews who live in Jerusalem and around the world, who believe that the world must know that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name Israel and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people! They believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism. You can read more about them at these websites: True Torah Jews and Jews United Against Zionism.
Wake up Church! The enemy has deceived you!

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Gali December 30, 2014 at 5:07 am

Romans 11 read and understand its importance

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Gali December 30, 2014 at 5:31 am

And if 666 is what you are refering to as anti-christ i think you need to step back and have a close look at satan’s plan through Islam.

Yes people have forgotten that Jerusalem is a holy mountain of Our Father. And Satan has brought arabs through Islam to try and Divide it. The enemy has always been close. The False Prophet and The Beast cannot be seperate. If the Star of David is the number 666 than we say satan has won. But thats not correct and doesn’t make sense.

Isis through its belief in allah have beheaded Christian children asked them to deny Jesus Christ and turn to allah. Could this form of Islam Reach all Nations? I believe so. But thats my opinion we never know. I dont believe Antichrist Will come from America But the Middle East. American citizens will not let such a Man lead them. And their will be a Mighty War. But can you see a Ruthless Leader being born out of Islam?

Their holy books teach that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. This is against our Beliefs. Their Believers have Vowed to wipe out the Jewish Nation this is against our God cause only our Father can destroy Israel.

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David December 30, 2014 at 2:58 pm

Thank you for your comment Gali 🙂 Scripture clearly tells us that the Roman Catholic Church is the Antichrist beast, the Little Horn of Daniel, and the office of the Papacy, the Son of Perdition. The Roman Catholic Church created Islam to have an army to help them kill Jews and Christians.

I believe this fulfills some prophecy in Daniel 2.

Daniel 2:41-43 “the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay“

The Strong’s Hebrew word for both “mixed” and “they shall mingle themselves” is 6151 “arab.”

The clay represents the Arabs, the Muslims, who became the great Ottoman Empire, who worked with the Roman Catholic Church, to control the lands previously occupied by the Roman Empire. They both killed Christians and Jews, but they have also warred with each other during the Crusades, as they don’t mix well.

Augustine tried to convert Muslims to Catholicism. Some did, but many did not. So they decided to create a new religion, which worshiped the same basic things, which killed heretics, which promoted their New World Order.

They spread a rumor that a great leader would appear to represent the Arabs and gather them together. Mohammed born in 570 A.D.
Mohammed was trained with Augustine’s Catholic teachings.

Mohammed was influenced by the Augustinian monks, to create the Koran, which has Catholic language in it.

They taught him the virgin birth of Mary, which could only come from them.

Mohammed’s wife was a Catholic dedicated to the Roman Church.

His wife’s cousin Waraquah was a Catholic, who proclaimed Mohammed to be the prophet of the Arabs.

The pope issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa. The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favors:

1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers, which they called infidels).
2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics.
3. Conquer Jerusalem for “His Holiness” in the Vatican.

They would eventually conquer Jerusalem for the Pope, but they refused to give it to the Pope and they called the Pope an infidel.

The Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem was built to honor that ancient site where Abraham supposedly would have sacrificed Ishmael. It is the 3rd most holy place after Mecca and Medina, where he is buried.
Mohammed then attacked Medina and killed Jews.

This started the Crusades when Catholic countries and Muslims warred with each other.

The Catholic Church conquered them in the 1700’s and 1800’s, and they became their tool once again. This matches with the drying up of the Ottoman Empire.

The Pope was never able to control Jerusalem until his British troops seized it from the Ottoman Empire in 1917 A.D. It was then given to Zionist Jews in 1967.

Today, al Qaeda/ ISIS is controlled by the Jesuits of Rome, through the CIA, British MI6 and Israeli Mossad. They were trained by U.S. Marines in Jordan. They were armed by the U.S. They are funded by Saudi Arabia. They are being used to carry out the Jesuit’s Inquisition in killing Christians and Shiite Muslims, to overthrow the leaders of countries like Syria and Iran who have not bowed down to their authority, and to push the world into WW III and their New World Order.

The Jesuits of Rome also control the state of Israel, through the Rothchild family, which uses the hexagram on their family flag and crest, which is why it is on the flag of Israel. The true symbol of Israel is Menorah.

They needed to control Jerusalem to stage their end times deception where their False Messiah will rise up to deceive the world.

Wake up Church! You’ve been deceived by the enemy!

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max March 19, 2015 at 3:24 pm

Spot on bro u levelling with us saints who judge angels

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GoGo October 1, 2015 at 2:23 pm

Crossed his “t”s and dotted his “i”s. Seeing, they won’t have a clue what they are looking at… hearing, they won’t understand a single sound…

But those who have ears, let them hear it!!!

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kon January 18, 2015 at 12:00 am

It a lot harder to con real greeks who know the truth
but the slavic mongols of macedonia were given the sun god and earth god flag
which were worshiped by the ancient greeks as they discovered the statue of apollo
the sun god in gazza
so the greek religion and flag has also been hijacked

beware of the fake jew assyrians

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ken January 18, 2015 at 7:36 pm

I believe in double multiple prophecy. Seems to me amerika is mystery Babylon the great. She will destroy her heritage, poison her land and must have deep water ports. Etc. No other Babylonian modern whore fits every requirement as amerika does. The UN being the tower of babel and city NY Babylon wall street and builds great Chevy and ford chariots, who’s mother Babylon is england. Babylon the great is fallen (daughter) fallen (mother babylon england). also amerika sits on 7 mountains (continents).

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David January 18, 2015 at 9:21 pm

Thank you for your comment Ken 🙂 In order for America to fulfill the prophecy of Mystery Babylon, it has to fulfill all of the description of it in Revelation 17. Care to show how it fulfills each verse, such as the study on this website does @ http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions ? Thanks, David

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Glenn January 29, 2015 at 12:52 am

I appreciate your opinion, David, but I’m not buying it yet. The DNA research is interesting, but proves nothing. Caleb of Moses’ and Joshua’s time was a Jew by religion, but a Canaanite by blood, not Hebrew. He was fully accepted as a Jew and even received the choicest area in the Promised Land, Hebron, the burial place of the patriarchs. DNA is relevant to the priestly line of Aaron only, which interestingly has been preserved to this day, and will prove important when the temple is rebuilt.

I will also echo the sentiment that though Israel is a tiny country in the midst of of all its enemies, it has persisted and thrived is a way that can be described as miraculous. Islam is satanic and you claim Israel is satanic yet they are mortal enemies. “A house divided cannot stand.”

Jesus desired to “gather” his children like a hen does for her chicks, but the Jews would not come to Jesus. The “gathering” in a physical sense is happening now and the spiritural gathering will happen during the “time of Jacob’s trouble.” Jews might not be mentioned in Revelation but the 12 tribes certainly are. God’s promises to Abraham are irrevocable and were certainly understood for 4000 years as blessings to his physical descendants. God blessed the nations though Abraham because the Messiah cam from his line and allowed we dogs to be included at the table. “Salvation is from the Jews.”

Abraham and his descendants never occupied the whole of the promised land thus will be a future fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant. To replace the physical promises to Jews with the church is a heresy.

The Talmud is no more than a commentary and I’ve seen Nazi websites mis-quote the same passages. You are in very poor company there. And the kaballah? The followers of it are very, very few and to mention it seems that you are creating a straw man with that one.

666 is clearly stated by Scripture as the number of man, not Satan.

There are no sources for the Rothchild conspiracy and would expose your whole argument as suspect.

I do believe that it is possible, but not dogmatically knowable that the Catholic Church could end up being the false religion and the pope as the false prophet.

Some initial thoughts. If Israel gets blown off the map someday during my lifetime, I guess I’ll come around! 🙂

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David January 29, 2015 at 1:16 am

Thank you for your comment Glenn 🙂 You’re entitled to your opinion. DNA research proves that over 90% of people who call themselves Jews are not the descendents of Abraham. That means that they have no right to the land. That’s pretty significant.

Rabbinical Torah Jews are protesting and saying the same thing, that the Zionist Jews have no right to the land and they have no right speaking for Jews.

Keep learning and growing! Grace and peace to you in Christ’s name, David

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CA July 6, 2015 at 7:22 pm

To Glenn: No sources?? You are quite blind, there is documentation aplenty.
Are you being honest?
As well, the current chief rabbi declares on his website that what is today called “judaism” is the practice of the kabbalah. He says it flat out, exactly that clearly. No, their religion is not the faith of Moses, not the faith of the Old Covenant, has also been called “phariseeism”, as the pharisees followed the traditions of men, the talmud. However, in the last 160 years, the kabbalah has picked up to become not only prevalent, but now the very modern definition of judaism according to its own high teachers.

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CA July 6, 2015 at 10:52 pm

I rejoice upon reading your tiny gray print prayer at the bottom of this page that you have found the true Names of Abba and Our Savior. He has commanded us to spread His Name far and wide to the peoples of this earth, yet His Name has been corrupted and hidden, against His condemnations in the book of Jeremiah. For the sake of the readers here, It is so important for the people to know His Name, and the Savior’s True Name, as just one sound being added or changed changes the meaning completely. The Masoretes, who were of the lineage (mistranslated “generation”, as in “this lineage/generation shall not pass”) of the priestly caste, the pharisees and scribal lineages, have taught us the names “Jehovah”, “Yahweh”, “Adonai”, “LORD”, and Yahshua, Yeshua, Y’shua, Yahushua, Yehoshua. And yet, by the Tetragrammaton, the people should realize that the very pronunciations of the Yod – He – Vav – He are indeed known in the archaic Paleo-Hebrew, which was the Hebraic dialect of the ancient Aramaic, what was indeed the Hebrew language. It was not written in the “modern” Babylonian square script which you see today, which the Masoretes created around 200 AD, working to hide and corrupt The Father’s Name by substituting their Waw, for the original Hebraic-Aramaic Vav, a “letter” which always carried an oo, uu, u sound. Not only is this absolutely known, even our letter ‘W’, the DOUBLE-U, reveals this in its Very Letter name, as it was always an oo, uu, u sound, as in HebreW, phonetically hebroo, hebruu, hebru, and the DOUBLE-U was never pronounced as in Water, Wet, Why, etc. Only recently has the DOUBLE-U developed a consonantal quality as in the word Where. This has been the main function of the Masoretes’ modern Babylonian square script creation, which is not the true Hebrew at all. By creating their false “letter” Waw, they have taught us to say Yahweh, when in truth, YHWH, yod-he-vav-he, of actual paleo-hebrew, was known to be the sounds Y aH U aH, or otherwise could be written phonetically as Yahuwah. Indeed, if one single sound is altered in the Saviour’s Divinely given Name, the meaning is utterly changed. His Name was the Divine Prefix YHW (Yahu) and the verb/noun Saves/Salvation/Saviour. To add another Vav (oo, uu, u sound) as presented in -shUa (YahshUa, YeshUa, YahushUa, YehoshUa, Y’shUa) changes His Name to One who NEEDS salvation, as found in the LXX (Septuagint) in Numbers 13, when Moses changed “Joshua’s” name from Yahusha to Yahushua, which means One who NEEDS divine salvation. The masoretic text that is in all western bibles only gives the name Hosea, but it needs to be understood that the masoretes wrote their text they say “from memory, the original hebrew tanach no longer being extant” between the years 500 AD – 1100 AD, and created their corrupt-root-Babylonian square script with its corrupt misleading “letter” Waw around 200 AD. They admit it is not a translation of the Original Old Testament Tanach, which the LXX was, translated around 280 BC, well before the time of Christ. As a result, the LXX was loved and trusted by Greek speakers/readers of that day, especially well used outside of Palestine. The messianic prophecies are particularly unmistakable, FAR MORE SO, than in the Masoretic Text, which is why the rejecting leadership learned to hate the EXTREMELY clear prophecies of the LXX and the Original Hebraic-Aramaic Tanach . This is why they had to create their Masoretic Text, and the all-important “modern” (modern as compared to paleo) Babylonian square script, not only a hat-tip to Babylon, but a perfect corrupting tool for corrupting and hiding Abba’s personal Name, that He wanted broadcast across the face of the earth, that all men may know it. When the Babylonian Waw is substituted for the original Vav, it teaches us to call Him Yahweh, instead of His Name YHWH, Y aH U aH, Yahuah. When it is written YHVH< the "vee" is not an english vee, but is the Latin way of writing the Vav, an oo, uu, u sound. When it is written YHWH, it represents the original DOUBLE-U= OO, UU, two Vavs joining shoulder to shoulder for an UU emphasis for clear pronunciation. This makes YHUH, YHVH, YHWH all correct representations, though the Masoretes have taught us the fallacy of the false name "Yahweh" which it never was, the DOUBLE-U never carrying that sound of Water, Wet, Why until the last couple hundred years. When viewing the specific sounds made by the tetragrammaton, YHWH, the "letters" being Yod-He-Vav-He in the paleo-Hebraic-Aramaic, the sounds are indeed known, also demonstrated in the tribal name Yahudah (Judah), being Yod-He-Vav-Dalet-He, the only addition to the Father's Name being the Dalet (D). He has said that His promises are for those who know His Name, He considers His Name to be very important, so it should be to us as well, all those who love His Truth, loving Him. Indeed, the masoretes intercepted Jerome, who wanted to translate into Latin, the Septuagint (LXX), which was a trusted Greek translation of the ORIGINAL (and claimed to no longer exist) Hebrew Tanach. They persuaded him to use their proto-massoretic text, for the Old Testament, which became part of the Latin catholic Vulgate. The paleo Vav is the whole key to both the Father's Name and the Savior's Name. Not one "letter" (Sound) can be altered without it corrupting the meanings. To call the Savior anything with a second Vav in the ending, as in – shUa, changes the meaning to One who NEEDS salvation, ie., a SINNER, which they were busy calling Him during His time here, and as also prophesied in Isaiah 53. Yes, the "grecianed" name "Jesus", directly follows the pattern of "Yeshua", using a Vav in the ending, again meaning One who Needs salvation. His Name was the Divine Prefix YHU, Yahu, and the verb/noun Saves/Salvation/Savior, Yahusha, shown in the Greek phonetics in the LXX in Numbers 13, as Ause, Greek having no Y and no sh sounds. Yahuah named His Son exactly what He wanted, after Himself with the principle of Salvation, Yahusha. We do not want to add a second Vav as in -shUa, as we would join the masoretes, the ones who reject Him, by calling Him a Sinner, One who Needs Salvation. In obedience to Yahuah's commands, may Yahuah's Name be spread across the earth, that He may be praised, He and His atoning work, in the SINLESS sacrifice of the Person of Yahusha. May all with ears open repent of their sin, and come to meet Yahuah, through the work of Yahusha Meshikha. Amen. (Aramaic= Mesh eek' ah)

Also see Acts 7: 43, and Amos 5: 26 for condemning references to the Assyrian "star" of Remphan.

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Chris January 29, 2015 at 2:03 pm

At the time of Jesus’ public ministry, there was a distinct separation between Jews in Galilee and those in Judea. Sadly, there was much racism and pride. In fact, Judean Jews claimed they were more “pure Jewish” than the Galileans. But, Christ himself was a Galilean. Our Lord chose the people who were looked down upon by the more “religious” Jews in order to humble them.

With all due respect… This article is very interesting, but I myself am not convinced for several reasons. First, just like my example above there will always be self-righteous ones who claim to be more holy, more chosen, or more Jewish in the case of this article. It’s been a pattern since the start. However, God sees past all that. We know as Christians that it doesn’t even matter who’s Jewish, who’s Gentile, who’s Muslim… Christ died so that anyone who is willing to accept his offer of forgiveness can and will. Nobody is excluded from his offer. It’s up to the individual to accept. So, essentially it doesn’t matter how Jewish the current state of Israel is.

Secondly, historically Ashkenaz was a descendant of Noah. Ashkenaz was also the name given to the geographic area centered on the Rhineland (Germany). The people from this area, and possibly those descended from Ashkenaz were referred to as Ashkenazi people. If these people were direct descendants of Ashkenaz, then they came from the line of Japheth, one of Noah’s three sons. However, Jews derive their lineage from Jacob, Abraham, up through the line of Shem another one of Noah’s sons. So, I think we can agree that the people of Ashkenaz were indeed not Jewish. However, Jews did migrate to Ashkenaz, founding the Ashkenazi Jewish community in the early 5th to 10th centuries and High Middle Ages 1000-1299. They were indeed Jewish, and theirs was a constant story of persecution and on many occasions being the targets of mass murder. Hitler wasn’t the first. Nor will he be the last.

These poor, unfortunate people are now settled in a nation that is targetted by all of it’s neighbors, constantly bombarded by terrorist attacks and rockets fired into its cities. Who cares what their DNA ancestry is, who they are, what color their skin is… they deserve our prayer and support just as much as anyone else who is surrounded by people who want to eliminate them from the face of the earth. Isn’t that what we do as human beings? We have compassion on animals who are going extinct, trees and plants don’t we? Well why not people who are being threatened? Do we care? The article starts by saying “Please pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you.” Well, the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. The greatest of those is love. So, the Holy Spirit has revealed something to me. This article doesn’t portray the love of Christ at all. In fact it promotes racism and pride.

As Christians we SHOULD support Israel, pray for them, and pray for peace. It’s what Jesus would do. In fact, he died for them. He died for you. He even died for the people who wanted to kill HIM. If we all fully understood that love, maybe we’d be able to show it to others.

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David January 29, 2015 at 8:04 pm

Thank you for your comment Chris 🙂 You said “This article doesn’t portray the love of Christ at all. In fact it promotes racism and pride.” I’m just presenting the facts, so that people can be informed. I don’t judge or hate anyone, so there is no racism. I pray for Jews to come to accept their promised Messiah. Grace and peace in Christ’s name, David

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rod visto February 13, 2015 at 11:48 am

Rev. 2:8-9 Jesus said to the church in Smyrna
Rev. 3:7-9 Jesus said to the church in Philadelphia
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There are 7 churches mentioned in Revelation, all the Bible scholars believe that these churches were the early Christian churches located in Turkey and has nothing to do with Judaism in Israel. For those Christian denomination who claim “I am the real Jew, Those Jews in Israel are fake”, guess what, God said, you are a liar and of the synagogue of Satan, amen.

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David February 13, 2015 at 1:08 pm

Thank you for your comment Rod 🙂 The letters to the seven Churches of Revelation 2-3, used the names of the Churches in the first century, but they were written to the seven historical church ages which will have spanned from the 1st century until Christ’s return.

Read the Seven Churches of Revelation study for proof of that http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-7-churches-of-revelation-deception/

Paul told us who is a true Jew in Romans 2:28-29, “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

So the true Jews were the followers of Christ, and the people “who say they were Jews, but are not” were the fleshly Jews, who denied Jesus as their Messiah. That includes Ashkenazi Jews.

Grace and peace to you in Christ’s name,
David

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van February 17, 2015 at 10:40 am

God has not let go of Israel. We were scattered to the four corners of the earth.Those ruling Israel since 1948 are imposters. They are gentiles from the seed of japheth (Genesis 10) The unssaved of japheth will form the confederacy of Ezekiel 38
. Since they are gentiles in Israel the gospel must be preached to them until the fullness of the gentiles come in.Romans 11.

The Church has not replaced Israel. All 12 tribes are represented in the book of Revelation.What Gentile believers must ask now is who and where are the children of Israel today since Luke 21:24.

Paul warned the churches in Rome unit to think they had replaced Israel.Again, Romans 11.We are waking up now all over the world now because the fullness of the gentiles, the Gospel age is ending.

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David February 17, 2015 at 10:25 pm

Thank you for your comment Van 🙂 Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendents is offered to them in the New Covenant. A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

The promises that were made to Abraham are ultimately to those who believe by faith, not his physical descendents.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, etc. all believed that the Messiah would come and atone for their sins. We look back on that event.

Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised. “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendents ARE NOT the children of God. “For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God. “Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ. “Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns. The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

Grace and peace to you in Christ’s name,
David

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CA July 7, 2015 at 12:25 am

Quick mention to Van: No, not all the tribes are included, Dan is completely left out of the 144,000, probably because of their participation with the beast. When Jacob on his deathbed is prophesying over his sons, what would become of their lineages, in Genesis 49: 16-18, it records in the LXX, that ” Dan shall judge his people, as one tribe too in Israel. And let Dan be a serpent in the way, besetting the path, biting the heel of the horse (and the rider shall fall backward), waiting for the salvation of the Lord.” As a result, Dan’s symbol has long been the serpent, most especially a Sea serpent, as noted on the bows of their seafaring vessels throughout history, and is seen with his brother Judah’s lion ( which Yahudah picked up in Babylon), together on the British crest. They have long been partners, together with Japeth’s grandson, especially in recent times. His machinations are indeed throwing the rider from the horse and judging his brethren. — It is also worthy of note, that we are taught in the false church that Armageddon is of this age, when the book of Revelation makes it perfectly clear that it is for the age beyond the millenium of peace. Satan and his minions create many impostors and impostor events. Deception depends on creating look-alikes, we know that.

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CA July 7, 2015 at 12:33 am

Insert into the above comment : . . and the horse, as referenced in Gen. 49, which can be seen together with Judah’s lion on the British crest.

(accidental oversight on sentence)

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GoGo October 1, 2015 at 2:34 pm

And THAT is the money question Van… preach.

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jeff rodkey March 2, 2015 at 7:09 am

Israel was a people before it was nation, Jacob’s name was changed to Israel, it is much more a spiritual place than a physical place

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David March 2, 2015 at 7:56 am

Thank you for your comment Jeff 🙂 I agree. Jacob was given the name ‘Israel‘ after his spiritual conversion, after he believed in God by faith. There has always been a remnant, called Israel, who believed by faith in the atoning work of the promised Messiah. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, etc., all believed by faith, and were saved. The rest tried to earn salvation by the law and ended up worshiping foreign gods, and were lost.

Our promised Messiah came to ratify the covenant made before Abraham, with His shed blood on the cross of Calvary.
We now look back on that event and believe by faith. We are made up of Jews and Gentiles. We are Israel!

Grace and peace to you in Christ’s name,
David

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Jim March 4, 2015 at 12:24 pm

Many Christians of today have been brainwashed by the evil one esp when it comes to believing that America must support Israel! Its just like OSAS believers that say they cant fall away, Or a 7 yr Tribulation…… So sad what we all have been taught by our Church leaders!
When Jesus said to “put on the whole armor of God” not many have taken it seriously bc the devil has deceived us into believing so many lies that look like truth! The devil is out to get the Believer!
Brothers and sisters what David has written here is the Truth of Gods word!
But we must be on our knees and fasting for the Truth and be Bereans when listening to our Church leaders bc most have been deceived!
The end is near, dont be fooled by the evil one.
God have mercy on us all!

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David March 4, 2015 at 12:40 pm

Thank you for your comment Jim 🙂 The Church is everything that Christ said it would be in the end times, “lukewarm, wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked.” Christians think that they know the truth, but they are greatly deceived about prophecy fulfillment, about Israel, etc., so that they will be caught off guard by the events which will happen. Messiah is coming, the question is are we wise virgins? or foolish ones?

Grace and peace to you in Christ’s name,
David

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Randy B Davis March 18, 2015 at 8:54 am

Hi David,

Didn’t the Jews reject Christ when he was here and died on the cross? What is the difference between then and now where they still reject him? Also, you want to believe in DNA to tell the difference between the Jews but didn’t we all come from Adam and Eve? Yes, the ‘sons of God’ corrupted the seed by knowing the daughters of men God destroyed the World and saved Noah and his family, eight in total. So we all should have DNA from Adam and Eve and Noah’s family and that should be included in our DNA. I believe God and that all people should be saved Jew or Greek. I don’t see any good coming out of these vain babblings and trusting so called science.

If they are not Jews then my friends there in Israel certainly are putting on a good show at speaking and writing Hebrew and follow the Mosaic law! Why would they go through all that trouble if the are not Jews?

1 Tim 6:20-21 AKJV/PCE
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. {The first to Timothy was written from Laodicea, which is the chiefest city of Phrygia Pacatiana.}

Why not try and bring all people to receive love of the truth and the free gift of salvation and let God sort out the false Jews?

John 3:16 AKJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Didn’t God send The Lord Jesus Christ come to save the World and not condemn the World? I think we all should be careful what we do, preach and teach!

1Cor 3:3 AKJV/PCE
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

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David March 18, 2015 at 9:43 am

Thank you for your comment Randy 🙂 Many of the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah, but the remnant accepted Him. Acts tells us that on the day of Pentecost, the disciples confirmed the New Covenant to Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.

3,000 of these Jews accepted Jesus as their promised Messiah and were saved; and no doubt they returned home to spread the Gospel to other Jews. The Apostles continued preaching the Gospel daily in the temple area, and the Church of Christ continued to grow. Even Jewish priests came to accept Jesus as their Messiah

Peter preached the Gospel to the Jews, telling them that those who believe by faith in Jesus New Covenant are the seed of Abraham.

This article is about why Christians should not support the Zionist state of Israel, so the fact that 95% of people who call themselves Jews are not the descendents of Abraham, is very relevant, as they have no right to the land or to speak for the true Jews.

Most of people who call themselves Jews believe that they are the true descendents, so they act the part. Their ancestors believed the same thing, so it is ingrained in their thinking. But that does not make it true.

The ancestors of many Ashkenazi Jews came from Khazaria, in Eastern Europe, where they converted to Judaism in the 1st millennium, so these people have a long heritage of believing that they are Jews. But that does not make it true.

Christians are told to support Jews, meaning the descendents of Abraham, but the great majority of people called Jews are not Semites.

Christians are told to support the state of Israel, but the great majority are not the descendents of Abraham, and so that support is in vain.

This fact changes everything. How can you not see that?
Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendents ARE NOT the children of God.

“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God. “Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ. “Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham. “But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns.

The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

Grace and peace to you in Christ’s name,
David

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CA July 7, 2015 at 1:11 am

Randy: Of course it’s a good show. Does not the Scripture warn us that even satan transforms himself into an angel of light? And that his ministers transform themselves as well? That is the deception! They have long been deceived. Who says they are working with the original Hebrew? The descendants of the masoretes and their helpers falsely claim that, but it is not the original Hebrew at all. The modern Babylonian square script (misnomered “Hebrew”) is called exactly that, for a reason: it is modern, not paleo, created after the time of Christ and the early church, and it is Babylonian script, not Biblical Hebrew. What makes you say they adhere to the Old Covenant Law? Only the small number of Sephardim strive to do that. It is a secular nation; any amount of self-education will confirm it. This article is not “vain babblings” or having anything whatsoever to do with pride. It was written that you be not deceived, that the reader not follow the idolatrous creations of the Deceiver. Is it not spiritually vital whom you support, believe, and follow? Have we not been warned in the Scripture, and commanded to determine the spirit from which things come? Why would YHWH warn us of deception, saying that if it were possible, even the elect would be deceived, if Deception does not create a viable illusion? Did He lie? What about Revelation 2: 9, and 3: 9, where He repeatedly says they “say they are Jews, but do lie”?? The modern “versions” falsely use the word “apostle”, but that word is not in the original there. The Aramaic also uses the word “jews”, not “apostles”. These exact passages are the very ones that say that THESE impostors are of the synogogue of satan. DNA is only evidence that points to the veracity of The Scripture.

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CA July 7, 2015 at 1:44 am

P.S. Randy: YHWH sent His Son, that we might REPENT from sin, turning away from it, abandoning it, and returning to YHWH in the fullness of our hearts. There can be no forgiveness of sin without Repentance. The modern false gospel is one where Repentance and turning away from sin is omitted. To “accept Jesus” and not turn away from sin is called Licentiousness, or deluding oneself that one has a license to sin because God will forgive. The Scripture makes it very clear that there is no salvation in that.

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Mr. Bob March 18, 2015 at 10:19 am

The people in Israel are not real jews, the are not the chosen people from the 12 Tribes of Israel. They are kazaars who invaded the country then want people to think they are Jews when the true people from the 12 Tribes of Israel are people of color. They do not like people of color yet they use the culture and religion of people of color. They treat people of color in Israel very bad and with racial terms. The orginal Middle East was part of Alkebulan which is Africa. The name used by so-called jews are not Israel names. How you explain ethopian jews who are people of color vs fake white jews. Look up Kazaars and where they come from and
How they took up the religion. How can the old testiments speak on hebrews then the new testiments dropped them saying son of god was a jew is crazy. Tampering with the bible is not cool. People in America are not negro nor black; it is nit a race; they are hebrew Israelites period.

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CA July 7, 2015 at 1:25 am

Dear Mr. Bob,
Most certainly there are many genetic hebrews of African color, that is known. There are also bronze-colored ones too, and “white”. Bad treatment is never godly. The tribes were scattered to the four winds. They are all over the earth. But our identity in Christ is crucial. Much love in Him.

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Robert March 21, 2015 at 9:33 am

It is so sad to run around and impose lies when they are not Jews. They are Kazaars who invaded the land. It is obvious they are not people of color. The names are not Hebrew. They think people are stupid and have no knowledge of the truth. They are Lepers who are from Esau. Today the Middle East is and was Alkabulan that you call Africa. Israel had 12 sons, there is no 13th son. Just like the others, always digging up the ground, and pyramids only to find what they call Blacks who are the true Hebrew Israelites. Just like in the old testiments speak on Hebrews then tampering in the new testiment switching it to Jews. There are real Jews living in Ethiopia who are of color;now all of a sudden they are white that is quite funny. You are disrespecting God and his son. The fake Jews are the same as the rest of the Lepers. Lepers are what is called seed of Esau. Your hair is your glory so, when they entered the pyramids, only to find evidence of hair was proof they were people of color, they did not reveal that fact. Now, no wonder they hate people of color. For your information, Negro or Black is not a race, it is a hatred racial words to try and destroy the true Hebrews. There is no history in the world mentioning it is a race. there is no such thing dummy. The old testiment is the true history on people of color. Just like the lies and painting son of God white with blue eyes and blonde hair is crazy and dumb. You need to stop placing people out of their true nationality. You also try to call people of color a minority is a lie, there are more people of color on this planet than any other people. When you ask people from the countries there, they know the truth as to who people of color really are. Africa was named after a Roman General Aficanas and Greeks called Kemet Egypt. Egypt mean many cities of people of color. Today, it is still called Kemet. You see, God always reveal the truth. People of color did not hang Son of God on a cross. Research DNA evidence on fake Jews who were proven they are not Jews, they are Kazaars.

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andre March 23, 2015 at 9:52 am

These are the real 12 tribes of Israel by blood when you read genesis 49:

JUDAH = NEGROES/AFRICAN AMERICANS
BENJAMIN = WEST INDIES/ JAMAICA TO BELIZE
LEVI = HAITIANS
SIMEON = DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
ZEBULON = GUATEMALA TO PANAMA
EPHRAIM = PUERTO RICANS
MANASSEH = CUBANS
GAD = NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS
REUBEN = SEMINOLE INDIANS
NAPTHALI = ARGENTINA AND CHILE
COLOMBIA TO URUGUAY
ISSACHAR = MEXICANS

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David March 23, 2015 at 11:15 am

Thank you for your comment Andre 🙂 When I read Genesis 49, it doesn’t say any of that. btw, Levi was not one of the 12 tribes, they were the priests who served the tribes. And you left out the tribe of Dan. Grace and peace to you in Christ’s name, David

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Lori April 8, 2015 at 8:21 am

Hi David,

Could you please try to clear up this confusion below as compared to your article above: “In that day, The LORD will reach out His hand a SECOND TIME to reclaim the remnant that is left of His People from Assyria…from Egypt, from Ethiopia, from Iran, from Iraq and from the Islands of the sea… He will assemble the scattered people of Judah, from the four quarters of the Earth.”

A SECOND TIME?????????

A political event as given in Yeshua/Jesus’ words in Luke 21. (Speaking specifically to the Jewish Disciples). Yeshua/ Jesus said: “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then you are to understand that she is about to be destroyed. Those in Judah must escape to the hills, those inside the city must get out, and those in the country must not enter it. For these are the days of vengeance, when everything that has been written in the Tanakh/O.T. will come true… For there will be great distress in the Land, [Israel] and judgement on the people. Some will fall by the edge of the sword, others will be carried into all the countries, of the Gentiles, and Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles – UNTIL the age of the Gentiles has run its course.” (Verses 20 – 24)

Yeshua/ Jesus was describing the events that did happen in A.D. 66 –70 – 138.
This was when the Jewish people were dispersed from Israel, which He called, “the days of vengeance, when everything written in the Tanakh, (O.T.) will come true.”
The Scriptures Jesus referred to, could well be the chapter of terrible warnings given by Moses in Deuteronomy 28, from verse 15, as a result of turning away from the Holy One of Israel to false gods, and deliberate disobedience.

It was also because of the rejection of the Nation as a whole to Yeshua/ Jesus as Messiah and Son of God. When Yeshua said this, it was in the future, by about 30 years. This National rejection by Israel was a very serious situation in God’s eyes, because they had been given so many prophecies right up to and including the preaching of John the Baptiser. In addition, they had the careful demonstration of God’s love and power in the life and death of Yeshua/ Jesus for 3 years right before their eyes. (See Paul’s agonising questions about this in Romans 9 – 11.)

But Yeshua/Jesus explained a time would come when Gentile domination would end!
[Please read the Scripture from Luke 21, given above, again.]
Sadly Yeshua’s prophecies were agonisingly true over many centuries, in fact the best part of 2000 years! Many did ‘fall by the edge of the sword’, and many ‘others were carried into all the countries of the Gentiles, and Jerusalem was trampled down by the Gentiles’. [Please see the historical record in our article ‘Jerusalem Dates’.]

Some people still project these Scriptures into the future – even Jewish Messianic teachers. But it is clear Yeshua/Jesus referred to them being taken from their Land, again and so it was for the second time. But this time that is referred to, – indicated not just an exile to Babylon but to many countries of ‘the Gentiles’. So that certainly did happen! But now (in the last century), it is clear they have not only gained a part of their Land of Israel, but they are returning there in increasing numbers. This is clearly the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy, (in 11: 11.) “In that day, The LORD will reach out His hand a SECOND TIME to reclaim the remnant that is left of His People from Assyria…from Egypt, from Ethiopia, from Iran, from Iraq and from the Islands of the sea… He will assemble the scattered people of Judah, from the four quarters of the Earth.” [Incidentally, we believe that all today’s’ Jews ARE a ‘remnant’ if you compare the approximate number of Jews to be at the most 20 million, against the descendants of Ishmael, -the Arabs, who number around 350 million.]

But that one day, ‘the times’ of the Gentile domination would end!
The Jewish N.T. says, “until the age of the Gentiles has run its course.”
N.I.V. says, “until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”
This ‘age’ or ‘time’ is generally agreed to be until the ‘six day war’ in 1967 when the Israeli forces over-ran the city of Jerusalem and reclaimed it totally from the Jordanians whom were ruling it on behalf of the Muslims. Israel had become a nation in their own Land in 1948, but did not have control of the City of Jerusalem until June of 1967, when it was finally united under Israeli Jewish control. Later in 1980, the Israeli Government passed a ruling that Jerusalem would always be the united, indivisible, eternal Capital of Israel. These dates are very important and a clear Scriptural fulfillment; but a literal, political event.
[Jerusalem will still be a focus of the world’s attention for many years, as other Scriptures, (such as Zechariah 12:3-9 indicates) – but will not be seriously attacked until the very end before Yeshua/ Jesus returns, in the ‘Battle of Ha Megiddo’.]

The reality at present is, that although legally it is under Jewish control, it is not totally, (sadly), in actual fact, under their control, for a number of reasons. One is that where the Muslims destroyed 50 out of 52 Synagogues in Jerusalem in 1948, The Jews not only did not destroy any mosques in 1967, but they agreed to allow the Muslim Quaff jurisdiction over the Temple Mount! So now there is fear of an Islamic Jihad if the Jewish authorities press their rights. So Israel is being patient, to a degree, as the rest of the world offers their solutions to this big problem.

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David April 9, 2015 at 8:11 am

Thank you for your comment Lori 🙂 Here’s the problems that I see with the article you posted. Isaiah 11:11 reads as follows “It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea.” It does not include the names Iran and Iraq.

Isaiah 11:11 is about the regathering of the remnant of the House of Israel and the House of Judah, which already happened before our Messiah began His ministry. You can read that study @ http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-regathering-deception/

DNA studies prove that 95% of the Jews in Israel are not the descendents of Abraham, so that means that they are Gentiles, which means that Jews did not take control of the land in 1967, as the article states. Gentiles still control the land.

There is no separate dispensation for Jews. The Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church.

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised. “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendents ARE NOT the children of God. “For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God. “Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ. “Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns. The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

I hope that helps! Grace and peace and love to you in Yahshua’s (Jesus) name!
David

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Lori April 9, 2015 at 8:39 am

I don’t believe that the Jews returning to Israel now are what this is referring to, I believe that that 2nd time will be when Christ returns. However, Isaiah 11 is confusing to say the least.

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Marcy April 8, 2015 at 11:53 pm

Do you believe that the whole Bible is the inspired word of God and there is whole truth. I can enter this discussion until I know the answer to these questions. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son Of God, and the Saviour.

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David April 9, 2015 at 7:56 am

Thank you for your comment Marcy 🙂 Yes, I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and that there is whole truth. And I believe that Jesus is the Son Of God, and the Savior. Amen! David

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Lori April 9, 2015 at 8:07 am

Which of the many, many, many Bibles are you speaking of there Marcy or do you believe that only one version is the “correct” whole truth version?

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Kirby Hopper April 20, 2015 at 11:15 pm

If God is still in the business of judging nations the best thing we can do for Israel is to stand against their government and pressure them to make things right with their neighbors the Palestinians. http://www.kirbyhopper.com/why-christians-and-all-americans-should-support-the-palestinians-not-israel/

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Jessica June 13, 2015 at 8:24 pm

What about what it says in Zechariah chapter 12?
and it shall come to pass in that day that i will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
and i will power upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of supplecations and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced and they shall morne for him, as one mourning his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him as one that is in bitterness for his first born.
in that day shall there be a great mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

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Ian June 23, 2015 at 10:01 pm

Well, I have not read all comments, but I get the general idea.

I agree in part with David and disagree on other points.
I would like to throw in ‘my two bob’s worth’ (an old Australian term – equivalent to 20 cents…but 2 bob in the 50’s and 60’s could stave off starvation for a week.).
I wll let pass the DNA thing…I’m ignorant there. Though I will ask one question: Of those tested for ‘Jewish’ DNA, were any found with SOME Jewish DNA in them – even just 30 or 40 %? If only part, this surely could make them technically descendents of ‘Israelite’ stock. Many aborigines of Australia have less than a 1/4 or less of full Aboriginal blood in them and they look quite caucasion, but they are still ‘Aboriginal’, technically and legally.

I will let pass the Orthodox Rabbi position, well, almost.

A: Many Rabbi’s I have heard are secret believers in Jesus as the Messhiach of Yah, yet are quietly going about in their new faith in Jesus testifying to others, a bit like many Communists leaders are also Christians but secretly. The latter warn the underground churches of trouble coming, and fellowship with them secretly, testifying of the grace of God in Christ. Sometimes they get caught themselves and end up in the clink, etc. If these Russian or Chinese communist believers can do this ‘work’ for the sake of their Lord Jesus Christ, then we ought not be too hard on those rabbis who do similarly for the true Messiah. Do we live for Jesus as we ought?

B: In listening to the heart cry of Jewish ‘Rabbi’ – Mr Weiss’ (Rabbi Jesus said call no man rabbi, for One is your Teacher/Master), and I truly hear his cry, he says that the problem is not religion. But he is wrong, the problem IS religion. Or to use another word IDOLATRY. And that is teh whole push of Rome and NWO.
In denying that Jesus is the Christ – the Blessed of God, a man – Jew or Gentile has set up some other ‘god’ – idol in his heart, be it ‘Moses’ or some other. The religious leaders in Jesus’ day had set up Moses as there ‘god’ instead of accepting Jesus.
Mr Weiss speaks about Jews and Muslims living side by side for a long time without ‘trouble’. Islam is the creation of the ‘popes’ and monks (see ‘Alberto Rivera’ – You Tube or text). Rome wanted to rid the earth of both ‘Jews’ and uncompromising Christians, – so created this lie, and then later to bring the Arabs and all, eventually into the arms of the Great Whore. (see here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJIDzgQM0Z4)
…. Islam since its inception, has been intrumental in making ‘war’ against their neighbours well over 500 times. Untold millions have been killed at their hands. But the popes were behind it all. Islam as the ruling force (as distinct from individual muslims) has never lived peacefully as God defines peace, with their neighbours, but always by some form of ‘subjugation’, taxes or some other way. Any religion that denies or dismisses or denigrates the Prince of Peace – Jesus Christ Son of God is not for peace, but will wage war at some time or other.

C: Many Orthodox Rabbis also deny Jesus (Yeshua, Yehoshua, how ever His name should be spelt in Hebrew) as being Son of God Most High. They deny His deity. They are enemies of the Lord of Glory. If we ought not to support ‘Israel’, on the basis of what you postulate here, then maybe we ought not ‘support’ these Rabbis who deny Jesus Christ. Do they know all truth? Do they understand the purposes of God for Israel? Are they are any better than some of those so ‘named’?

Now to address some other points.
1. Readers can search for themselves to discover that from 1897 – 2017, the 20 year, 50 year, 70, year, 120 year cycles in ancient Jewish religious history have also been precisely employed in modern “Israel’s” history. Israel has alwasy been a sort of timepiece in God’s calender of world events. This is historically indisputable.
Did God have nothing to do with that or what has transpired till today? Was it ALL and ONLY the work of evil men wanting to take over the world who set up this new ‘Israel’? Or has it been God using the foolishness of men to bring about His own righteous purposes?
Satan from the beginning has been at work to destroy the SEED or the seed of God; Jesus the Messiah, or His children. Did God allow Satan to use human agents to kill Jesus? As I remember it, poiltical intrigue, religious zeal, and lovers of money were all at play in that most evil act to rid the earth of Jesus – Son of the Most High God. Did they succceed? They thought they had. But God was using all for His glory and our benefit. HalleluYah!

2. God made immutable promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Moses and Joshua, and others. Every promise of God is a faithful word. They are Yes, and they are Amen. This is only one of the many.
“Gen.15:18 On that day Jehovah made a covenant with Abram, saying, I have given this land to your seed, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates,” – (LITV).

‘Jew’ is a term not just to specify those of the tribe of Ju-dah, but can also be applied to any of the House of Israel. When Pilate ordered the sign to be placed over Jesus’ head and fixed to his cross, that term ‘King of the Jews’ was not just for Judahites, but for all those living in Israel who were decendents of Israel or had become ‘Jews’. It is a generic term. And I think quite appropriate seeing that the tribe of Ju-dah was to be the Royal House of Israel out of which Shiloh – Messhiach would come.
God also promised that Israel would return all of the House of Israel would return to the land of their fathers.
Bible prophecy sometimes can have multiple applications or fulfillments. “Out of Egypt have I called my son” is just one of many. Jacob went down into Egypt. But on his deathbed he made Joseph promise to bury him in the burying place of his fathers. Israel (though dead) came out of Egypt. Israel 400 years later, very dead under bondage came out of Egypt because God called them out. Jesus went down into Egypt and two years later came up out of Egypt back into the land of his ‘fathers’. all these are fulfillments of the one prophecy.

Ezekiel 37 is only one of many instances where Almighty God reveals that the land promised to Jacob (also Abra- ha -m) would be filled once again with their descendants, amongst other things. God does not say HOW He will do these things, but only that He will do them. We do not see God giving dates in Eze 37 as to when specific details would take place.
We can say how disgusted we are with all that is taking place or has taken place in respect to modern Israel as it is, but we cannot say that God, Almighty God has had nothing to do overseeing this most amazing thing.
We cannot deny that tiny “Israel’ now is turned out to be one of the world’s leading reclaimers of unusable land; is exporting peaceful technology to the rest of the world; that is has become a major exporterof food and flowers. Has God had nothing to do with this? Is it all the work of evil men?

and finally… Spiritual Israel. It is true that any Gentile who comes to true faith in Jesus Christ, according to the Scriptures is called a child of faithful Abraham. The Holy Spirit makes it plain. The Holy Spirit also make sit plain through Paul that Gentiles who ‘believe’ in Jesus the Messiah are grafted into the natural Olive Tree (Rom. 11), and should never boast against the natural branches that were cut off. For God says he is able to graft them in again.
And He will. FOR ALL ISRAEL (apostle Paul’s ‘brethren’) WILL BE SAVED – even if but a third.
Peace in Jesus our Lord

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Kris July 22, 2015 at 3:46 pm

you are a total blind to truth and you do not know your bible neither history. stop your foolishness.

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David July 22, 2015 at 9:27 pm

Thank you for your comment Kris 🙂 I will never stop teaching the truth about the true fulfillment of Bible prophecy. My eyes are wide open, thanks 🙂

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Shirley July 29, 2015 at 6:31 am

Oh my, let’s not war against each other. If something is against one’s beliefs I hope we do it in a nice way. Our Heavenly Father loves us all and we’re all grappling for truth. I think the one behind these teachings is sincere. We must all study the Bible and if there is discrepancy in our minds leave it alone until our Lord makes it plain for us. I think God feeds us truth and understanding slowly because all at once would just overwhelm and that’s not good. Let’s all question and discuss nicely. Our Lord wants us to seek Him and just posting shows you all are seeking. xo

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feras July 29, 2015 at 9:09 pm

Hello everyone …
God bless you all especially pastor David I cant describe my happiness when I read ur explanation about the real Israelites. first of all I’m a born again Christian and I used to be Muslim. so I thank my lord and savior for choosing. since I converted I have peace inside me until I start knowing that we should support Israel. i chose jesus as my savior because its the most just and fair and peaceful god and Christianity is the perfect religion after all the crimes and massacres that is done by the Name of Islam. So how come our peaceful merciful god who sacrificed him self for us to wash our sins would ask us to support the raise of Israel. if we read the history and neglect our social media for a second we will see how Jews people came from all over the world and did massacres against the people in jerusalem who’ve been living there for 3 thousand years kicking them out of their lands taking their houses and farms killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. they didn’t even differentiate between Muslim or Christian. Arresting tens of thousands of children. just because that they are the people of god and the rest of humans are slaves that doesn’t have the right to live.how can I combine between my lord Jesus and those people whom they disrespect Jesus on their media and social media every single day giving the worst adjective for his mother that she was a slot .my brothers its a huge contradiction.no body miss understand me I hate hamas and Isis and all Muslim radicals and their crimes opened my eyes to the truth .so how come Jesus who ordered his disciple to back his sword when romans came to arrest him would except and favor those people how can he favor evil. i was sure that there was an explanation for all that and brother David gave us the perfect explanation its not even him its the holy spirit speaking through him. brother David please advice which church should I attend. thanx

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David July 29, 2015 at 9:39 pm

Thank you for your comment Feras 🙂 Praise our Father in heaven for calling you out of Islam and into a covenant relationship with Him through our Messiah! I pray that many Muslims come to see the truth about Islam in these times and are drawn unto the Messiah. I pray that Jews read Isaiah 53, Daniel 9, the Gospels, and Hebrews, to see that all that was promised was fulfilled in the Messiah 2,000 years ago. But we cannot blindly support a people group who so violently mistreat and massacre others, who blaspheme the name of our Messiah and his mother, who curse Christians, who have not the Father because they have not the Son. All of the testimonies on this page are from Jews. I wish I could recommend a church my friend, but there aren’t many that are teaching the truth about Israel, that are identifying the Jesuits of Rome as the enemy of Messiah and His Church, that are preaching the gospel or the truth about prophecy fulfillment. I believe that home churches are the way to go, to be with like-minded people now, and when more persecution starts. Grace and peace and love to you in Yahusha/Jesus name! David

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Kirby Hopper July 29, 2015 at 10:53 pm

Feras I would also invite you to my blog. You might find it refreshing. http://www.kirbyhopper.com

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Tonya July 29, 2015 at 9:29 pm

Can you explain the verse where God says He will gather all nations against Israel at the end but He will kill them all? If they are so evil over there then why does God warn us but then kill all who go against them? If they are false then why are they a prophecy to be fulfilled? I can’t wrap my head around this one. Please help! I have heard that Jerusalem isn’t historic but prophetic but that doesn’t really answer the question. Thank you God bless 🙂

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David July 30, 2015 at 9:43 am

Thank you for your comment Tonya 🙂 I believe that you’re referring to Zechariah 12:9 “And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.”

When you look at the context of the surrounding verses, verse 10 seems to be pointing forward to Messiah, who would be sacrificed. The true ones, those who knew that He was the Messiah, mourned.

Zechariah 13:1 again points to the Messiah, whose shed blood provided a fount of forgiveness for their sins.

Remember that Jerusalem had been destroyed by the Babylonians. Then after 70 years of captivity, the Jews were released to return and rebuild the city and temple. But then there was a 434 year period between when it was rebuilt and when Messiah appeared in 27 A.D.

During that time there were many wars, as the Medo-Persian Empire overthrew the Babylonian kingdom. Then Greece overthrew Medo-Persia. Then Rome overthrew Greece. During this time people like Antiochus Epiphanes and his army desolated the temple, but they did not destroy the city.

So I would surmise that Zechariah 12:9 is simply saying that all of those empires who tried to come against Jerusalem during that time would be destroyed, which they all were.

And given what we know about the modern country of Israel, it would not seem to apply to it.
May Elohim bless you! 🙂

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feras July 30, 2015 at 9:56 am

Thanks alot david and thank you dirby ,but its so sad that I cant find a church to teach me the truth how can I educate my self how can I spread the word . Its a bless to find this website and I found this website by the guidens of holly spirit .is thier a way to receive bible study to my e mail ? God bless u David and may the holly spirit use you more and more to show the truth by Jesus name amin

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Kirby Hopper July 30, 2015 at 10:58 am

Feras when I was first saved in college after no background in the Christian faith I discovered that whole denominations can be wrong about rather easy things to accept. I started my journey in Lutheranism then went to a baptist church and saw how the Lutherans were wrong about water baptism. I have been to many churches and learned way more than I ever could in any one church. I suggest any persons journey include a variety of schools of thought but most importantly what you need to learn is how to study the bible for yourself – how to do a word study using a lexicon, hermeneutics, etc. It will be and should be a life-long journey of discovery, and the greatest blessing is not to be dependent on your teachers. God has placed teachers in the body of Christ, but none are infallible, so glean what you can and don’t get too bent out of shape if someone teaches false doctrine. Some day maybe God will make you a teacher and you will find yourself refuting what you were teaching just 5 or 10 years prior to that. Above all, the Christian faith is about becoming like Christ, and good doctrine and understanding about legalism is certainly helpful but not the end-all-be-all. Speaking of legalism, having been a Muslim you are programmed to be legalistic (like the Pharisees) and it will take decades to get that out of your system. But you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. God bless.

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feras August 1, 2015 at 11:06 pm

Brother Kirby I realm appreciate what u said and I’m already in this journey I attended too many churches but everyone I feel each church is missing something so I start searching again to be bound to the law legalistic I’m no longer like before everybody telling me this even people who doesn’t know about my new faith .the holly spirit is working through me guiding me in dreams and in awekness .but I still have a hope that I can find a church complete church the real bride of our lord and savior ill keep searching untill I find it or ill die searching .im craving for a church that is complete. Pray for me brother

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feras August 2, 2015 at 12:23 am

Ohhhh my god now I understand we should be our own teachers we should make our homes as our churches. I just read about the old church 300 years before the bible .and how even catholic and evangelical says that it was the golden age of the church .but David please I want to recommend something what if we send u e mails telling you where do we live so you can lead us to each other.example I live in Ottawa Canada I would appreciate if thier is more people who follows your website here so I can meet and we can start home bible studies.do u think its possible?

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Kirby Hopper August 18, 2015 at 8:44 am

Feras there probably aren’t enough readers of this blog in Ottowa to do anything but why not start a bible study among the thousands of searching Muslims and others in Ottowa? Not being trained in theology y’all might come to some interesting ideas but probably not much more so than all the different churches with their indoctrinated pastors who also teach strange stuff. Get enough together to pay for my way out from Pasco, WA and I’ll come over and put on some seminars, including how to operate as a home church. I’ve also got an unfinished book I could email you called New Covenant Church Government.

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Rick August 19, 2015 at 1:43 pm

Why does Jesus make a distinction between the woman and the house of Israel in Mattew 15? Why is it, that he refuses the woman in the first instance? Didn’t he came for all of us?

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David August 19, 2015 at 2:07 pm

Thank you for your comment Rick 🙂 I believe that Messiah came to fulfill the promise made in Jeremiah 31:31-33, to offer them a covenant that was ratified with His blood, to the house of Israel and the house of Judah, so that was His primary focus. When Messiah ascended to heaven, His disciples preached around Judea to the Jews only. Then in Acts 8 we read that after the stoning of Stephen, the disciples scattered into Gentile nations and spread the Gospel. So it was given to all, but to the House of Israel first.

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Valerie August 20, 2015 at 1:26 pm

I question the statistic of 97% of the Jews not being of the same origin.
A) King David was Jesse’s illegitimate son.
B) Ruth was not Hebrew
C) being Hebrew was never a racial thing. That is one of the reasons Jesus’ lineage is out of the line of David.
Testing 97% of the jew’s DNA must have taken a long time and was very costly.
Or, did they mean 97% of the Jews they tested? Worldwide? In Israel?
Israel has been prostituting itself to Babylon since the wilderness 400-500 years after Abraham. Just like todays Christians.
God Bless😎

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David August 20, 2015 at 1:53 pm

Thank you for your comment Valerie 🙂 The Zionist Jews in Israel claim that the land belongs to them because they are Abraham’s descendents. Here’s the list of Jewish witnesses that testify that they are not who they say they are:

DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that, “97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.”

Dr. Dan Graur, a world-famous Jewish geneticist who served on the faculty of Tel Aviv University for 22 years and is now at the University of Houston, smiles at the distress of the Zionists. Dr. Elhaik’s research is, he said, “very honest.” Graur is the recipient of the prestigious Humboldt Award, given to the world’s top biological scientist.

In 2001, genetics research by Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in Tel Aviv, produced basically the same results as Dr. Elhaik. Oppenheim’s study also found that the Jews origins are in Khazaria, and that they are of Turkic bloodline. She also reported that some Palestinians have the chromosome in their blood indicating they are Cohanim and Israelite.

In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in “The Jews and Languages of the Slavs,” said that the Jewish Yiddish language came from the Khazars, not the Hebrews.

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.

The Encyclopedia Judaica (1972) records, “Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, indendendent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries C.E. During part of this time the leading Khazaras professed Judaism… In spite of the negligible information of an archaeologica nature, the presence of Jewish groups and the impact of Jewish ideas in Eastern Europe are considerable during the Middle Ages. Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East often have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from with the former Khazar Empire.”

The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

In 1976, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler published a book called “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage.” He wrote: “The large majority of Jews after World War II in the world, were of Eastern origin-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga; not from the Canaan but from the Caucausus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race. Genetically, they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

In 2007, University of Tel Aviv history teacher, Schlomo Sand, verified their Turkish-Mongol heritage in his book called “Invention of the Jewish People.” He says that the “Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection.”

Rabbinical Torah Jews protest the Zionist state of Israel and say that is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism. They believe that the Ashkenazi Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/who-are-jews/

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Steven August 29, 2015 at 3:47 pm

We have been deceived and lie to. Remember, focus is to teach true prophesied name of the Messiah which is Yahusha not Jesus. Yahusha is written 216 times in the Tanakh and Yahuah is written approximately 7000 times in the original text. So if there is truth that African America’s are the original Yisraelites then need to return back to their homeland and The Messiah looks at our hearts not religion. So once you accept the Messiah Yahusha you are a child of Yahusha and we inheritance children of Yisraelites. Their is one name that brings salvation Yahusha which is by the way His actual prophesied name

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David August 30, 2015 at 11:24 am

Thank you for your comment Steven 🙂 Yes, we have been greatly deceived. Much of the deception was put into place during the 4th century when the Roman Bishops and Emperor Constantine created the Roman Christianity, with the name Iesous, which became Jesus. Here is my study on the personal covenant names of the Father and the Son, Yahuah and Yahusha http://christianitybeliefs.org/the-falling-away/the-names-of-the-father-and-the-son/

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Ian September 7, 2015 at 1:22 am

I think it is absurd as well. But the way you worded it gave me reason to thhink that is where you were headed with it.
“I’ll keep on trusting my Messiah’s words, as He has provided a witness in Jewish historian Josephus.”
“AS HE HAS PROVIDED a witness”, gave me the impression as I tried to relate. Glad to hear you think it is absurd.

However, as yet, I have not heard your comment on the promises made to Abraham Isaac and Jacob re the land that Joshua was to conquer centuries later.

Also the following is part of a quote in an answer to George L who asked http://www.truetorahjews.org – “Did six million Jews really die in the Holocaust?

“However I would like to correct you on some facts. Unfortunately the Holocaust did happen: nearly 6 million Jews were indeed murdered by the Germans, most of them in gas chambers or in mass shootings. This is not a Zionist falsification. The Zionists, however, do use the Holocaust as a tool to silence their opponents. They also used it as a tool to justify the founding of their state. They made the nations of the world feel a collective guilt so that they would vote to give the Jews a piece of land. This was obviously unfair since the land was being taken from the Palestinians, who did not participate in the Holocaust.

This is reminiscent of the old fable about the boy who cried wolf. The boy has told so many lies that even when he speaks the truth he is not believed. Here as well, the Zionists have spread much false propaganda in the world, so that even when they tell us about the Holocaust, people suspect that it is a lie. However, we know the Holocaust to be a fact because of the innumerable Jewish non-Zionist eyewitness accounts of what happened, as well as meticulous detailed German documents.”

Plainly not all Torah Jews think that the 6,000,000 is false.

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Robert September 13, 2015 at 8:08 pm

Please stop calling ancient Israelites ‘Jews’. They were Hebrews. Very important distinction. The Hebrews were God’s chosen people. They were Semites and direct descendants of Abraham. The word Jew was created around 1775 and refers to the descendants of the Kazars. These are Talmudic Jews and worship “their father Satan” not the God of Abraham. They are not the chosen people. That would Arabic Christians who are the descendants of converted Hebrews. The ones who did not convert were all killed by the Romans. There is no documented exodus or taking into exile of Hebrews during the Roman-Hebrew wars from 66 to 70 AD. They ALL died. The Temple was destroyed for the final time. The Old Covenant was fulfilled and a new one put in its place. Even if a Hebrew survived they would no longer be chosen as they rejected the Messiah and the Old Covenant as well as the Temple was gone. Thus, the Law no longer existed in the eyes of God.

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Ian September 14, 2015 at 2:47 am

David you said, ” I trust my Messiah’s words in verse 34 “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” and again you said, “Ian, let’s be clear. I’m the one who takes Messiah at His Word of “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled”.

The statement
“This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled”, occurs after the saying –
“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the land will wail. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much glory. (Dan. 7:13)
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens to their ends.”

IF all that is spoken of in Matthew 24 at least up till ‘this generation shall not pass…’ occurs prior to or at latest by 70AD, then the Son of Man has long come and gone in the clouds of heaven and with power and much glory, and the angels have come and gone with the sound of a trumpet, and the elect have been gathered from the four winds.
I don’t think so….
THIS EVENT HAS NOT YET HAPPENED… Because it has not yet happened, not all that is detailed in Matthew 24 up till v34 is pre 70AD in any final sense.

The clay and the iron of Neb’s dream which Daniel explained has to do with the coming mingling of demonic seed (DNA) with human seed (DNA). This happened in Noah’s day, and it is about to explode again…
Just get ready and stay ready for Jesus.

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David September 14, 2015 at 7:44 am

Here is a link to my study which explains the fulfillment of Messiah coming on the clouds, which did not represent His second coming. The irony of your statement is that it brings up another clear statement from Messiah, that the High Priest would see Him “coming in the clouds of heaven” which confirms what He said in Matthew 24.

Matthew 26:63-64, “And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

The word ‘ye” is singular. It was speaking only of the High Priest.

So now you have two clear statements from Messiah about things that would take place in that generation. 🙂

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/matthew-24-jesus-coming-in-the-clouds-with-power-and-great-glory/

Enjoy the study!

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feras September 20, 2015 at 6:30 pm

I’m sorry I was away to a while . David I need you’re help .im out of the main subject but its really important.should we as Christians to keep the 10 commandments and to keep the sabath .many and many verses talking about keeping the sabath Las day in the week and the commandment.but many other verses telling us that we are saved by grace .it seems to be contradicted. Does the new testament rules differs from the old testament?

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David September 20, 2015 at 10:28 pm

Feras, we are saved by grace through faith in Messiah’s atoning work. But faith without works is dead. In other words, it’s not real faith. So our works are the fruit of our belief. Our obedience to the commandments demonstrates our love for Messiah and the Father. Here is a study about the 7th day Sabbath that is based on the lunisolar Biblical calendar, not the Roman calendar. http://christianitybeliefs.org/the-falling-away/the-sabbath-was-changed-to-sunday/

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Ian September 21, 2015 at 10:26 pm

this came up in my reading and meditations today

Amos 9:8 “Behold, the eyes of the Lord Jehovah are on the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from the face of the earth; only that I will not completely destroy the house of Jacob, declares Jehovah.
(NOTE: GOD SAYS JACOB NOT JUDAH; THE HOUSE OF JACOB INCLUDED ALL THE TRIBES – HE HAS ALWAYS KNOWN WHERE THEY WERE/ARE; GOD WAS NOT GOING TO COMPLETELY DESTROY THE HOUSE OF JACOB)
Amo 9:9 For, behold, I will command, and I will shake the house of Israel among all the nations, as one shakes with a sieve; yet not a grain shall fall to the ground.
(NOT A GRAIN SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL)
Amo 9:10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, those who say, The evil shall not draw near or confront us.
Amo 9:11 In that day I will raise up the booth of David that has fallen, and I will wall up its breaks. And I will raise up its ruins, and I will build it as the days of old;
Amo 9:12 so that they may possess the remnant of Edom, and all the nations on whom My name is called, declares Jehovah who is doing this.
Amo 9:13 Behold, the days are coming, declares Jehovah, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him who draws along seed. And the mountains shall drop new must, and all the hills will be dissolved.
Amo 9:14 And I will bring back the captivity of My people Israel. And they shall build the waste cities, and live in them. And they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine of them. They shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
Amo 9:15 And I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be pulled up out of their land which I have given to them, says Jehovah your God.
(GOD WILL PLANT THEM (ISRAEL – JACOB) ON THEIR OWN LAND, AND THEY SHALL NEVER AGAIN BE PULLED OUT OF THEIR LAND WHICH I HAVE GIVEN THEM).

The present land of Israel as it is, has blossomed like the rose, and its produce goes out to many places of the earth. God has blessed His land by the hands of His people.
God has not yet finished bringing all the children of Jacob back to eretz Israel. Nor has he finished dealing with them as a nation. Israel’s present Jewish population will suffer in the Jacob’s trouble (Jer 30:7) ahead, but they will remain on their own land – they won’t be all exiled again.

“And you, O My servant Jacob, do not fear, says Jehovah. Do not be terrified, O Israel. For, lo, I will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. And Jacob shall return, and have quiet, and be untroubled, and no one will make him afraid. Jer 30:10.
For I am with you, says Jehovah, to save you. Though I make a full end among all nations where I have scattered you, yet I will not make a full end with you. But I will correct you justly, and I will not leave you unpunished. 30:11.
NOTE IN VERSE 10 THAT GOD REFERS TO JACOB THEN ISRAEL, THEN JACOB AGAIN. HIS POINT IS VERY CLEAR. GOD KNOWS WHO IS WHO.
HE DOES NOT SPEAK OF JUDAH AND OR BENJAMIN IN THIS DIALOGUE BUT JACOB AND ISRAEL WHO ARE TO COME BACK TO THEIR LAND AND NONE SHALL MAKE THEM AFRAID.
AND AS GOD DOES NOT ALWAYS DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE BUT IN STAGES, THIS IS WHAT IS AHPPENEING BEFORE OUR EYES, LIKE IT OR NOT. ADN HE HAS AND WILL USE WHOM AND WHAT HE WILL TO DO HIS WORK, HIS GOOD PLEASURE, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.

Just remember my brothers and sisters, that as Paul said to Timothy “The Lord knows those that are His”, referring to Jewish and Gentile believers in Jesus Christ, the Lord also knows those that are of the seed of Jacob, far better than we do, whether through marriage or by direct and pure descent. Remember Rahab of Jericho? She was not of the Hebrew blood line. Remember Ruth? She wasn’t either. But they became just as much an Isrealite as Moses was. And both those women were forebears to our Lord Jesus – PURE HEBREW, PURE JEW, PURE ISRAELITE in the flesh.
Don’t be too hasty to write off any ‘Jew’ in present ‘Israel’ not having 100% Hebrewish DNA as a fraud; God may well have a different view to you; The Scripture does say that His thoughts and ways are higher than ours. And they may yet be saved by Yeshua.
The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt with Israel, if they kept the word of God they too would have become Israelites. Of the nations that surrounded Israel, if any made peace with Israel and emmigrated there, they too would have become integrated and accepted as Israelites. This would have been the case at anytime.
Most western countries have as the base of the populations, immigrants from other lands. In time they may become true citizens of their new ‘homeland’ and are called by that country’s name; especially if they intermarry. Why not so with immigrants to Israel?
Don’t be too hasty my friends. Remember Genesis 12:3. Be prudent. All knowledge has not yet been uncovered.
The JEWS (many) under Esther’s rule, returned to Israel and rebuilt the walls and the temple.
Jesus was called by Pilate- the King of the JEWS (Mat 27:37), not King of the Hebrews. He is also known as King of Israel (meaning all those of Jacob; – Mark 15:32; Jn 1:39; 12:13)

In Matthew 10 Jesus tells His twelves disciples saending them out on that day while He was with them in the flesh, “charging them, saying: Do not go into the way of the nations, and do not go into a Samaritan city. But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
The fact that He uses the ‘Samaritan city’ as a distinction directly links His charge for that time period. Then we read “And it happened when Jesus finished commanding His twelve disciples, He left there to teach and to proclaim in their cities.” 11:1.
He went one way they went out without Him to those cities of that ‘Israel’ in His authority – before He died.
Then in Matt. 1:24 we read Jesus telling a woman of Tyre “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Jesus knew the difference between the Houe of Judah and the House of Israel, but He is not referring to those distinctions but to ALL the house of Israel. Jesus was not sent only to Judahites, and Benjamites. He was and is the God and King of Jacob.
pray for the souls in Israel regardless of their pedigree.
peace in Jesus

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free September 30, 2015 at 9:23 pm

Who are the physical Israelites of today? who fullfilled the curses of deut 28 because the scriptures show that the children of israel did not receive any blessings. who is Esau. Please research and be honest.

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David October 1, 2015 at 10:21 am

Who are the physical Israelites? I can’t say for sure. Some people proclaim they are in Europe and America.

As for receiving blessings, that has always been reserved for those who obey the Father, and who by faith believe in the atoning work of the promised Messiah.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, the prophets, etc., all trusted by faith that the promised Messiah would atone for their sins.

The vast majority of the Israelites chose to worship other gods and were not saved.

John the Baptist, the disciples who were of the House of Israel and the House of Judah, Paul the Apostle, the 3,000 Jews who were saved on Pentecost, etc., all trusted by faith in the atoning work of Christ on the cross.

The vast majority of the Jews rejected Him as their Messiah and were lost.

Today the remnant believes in Christ’s atoning work alone, but the majority of people reject Him and are lost.

Jews forbid one another to read Isaiah, Daniel, and the New Testament, which would show how Messiah fulfilled the prophecies; so they blind themselves to the truth about their Messiah.

Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendants is offered to them in the New Covenant.

A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

Here is a study about that:
http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-followers-of-christ-are-gods-chosen-people/

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free September 30, 2015 at 9:27 pm

Neither the house of ephraim nor the house of Judah received any blessings and if so where is the scripture that says this.

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David October 1, 2015 at 10:16 am

Messiah fulfilled the promise in Jeremiah 31 to offer the House of Israel and the House of Judah a new covenant. Messiah came for the House of Israel, meaning He rejoined them back together, as all come to the Father through Him. Messiah found His disciples not in Jerusalem, but in Galilee, where some from the House of Israel had returned. That seems like a blessing to me. 🙂

Here is a study that covers this http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-regathering-deception/

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Paul Renan October 16, 2015 at 11:15 am

Hi David

Elhaik has been laughed out of court by every mainstream geneticist because of his poor scholarship. He came up with a completely different interpretation using the same data, being apparently unaware that Khazars did not live in Armenia.Thus, the so called “Khazar signals” he cites are very common to Palestinians,Cypriots, Syrians, and other Mediterranean peoples as well, who certainly are not Khazars. He also , as part of his control experient used ” two pigmies from South Africa”. Anyone with a modicum of education knows that pigmies do not come from South Africa, which did not bode well for the rest of the study!
But Ariella Oppenheim , whom you misquoted is a fine scientist. She actually said in her 2001 study that all three Jewish groups ( Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and oriental are very similar, with one deviation in Ashkenazi Jews ( about 10% if I remember ). This was the EU 19 chromosome which she said might have a Khazar origin ) This by the way, has also been disproved, as that particular branch of EU 19 is found in similar proportions in the Near East

It is important in a quest for genetic truth to keep up the most recent studies. These are now autosomal and deal with the entire genome, and therefore far more accurate than anything that was done more than 5 years ago.

BUT, most importantly, why bother about European Jews anyway? The majority of Israelis ( 61% ) are of Oriental origin and never left the Middle East in the first place.

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David October 16, 2015 at 12:31 pm

I hear what you’re saying Paul, but so far it is just your words. Where is the proof? Show me where someone has proven those DNA studies are invalid.

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Paul Renan October 16, 2015 at 12:48 pm

The Nebal-Behar Study 2010,2013

Martin Richards Study ( University of Huddersfield 2013

Shai Carmi 2014 ( using millions of markers not just MtDNA or y chromosomes )

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David October 16, 2015 at 12:55 pm

Thanks, I’ll see if I am able to access those studies. What you are ignoring is the many Jews who have proclaimed the same things, not based on DNA studies, but based on history and genealogy.

In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in “The Jews and Languages of the Slavs,” said that the Jewish Yiddish language came from the Khazars, not the Hebrews.

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.

The Encyclopedia Judaica (1972) records, “Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, indendendent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries C.E. During part of this time the leading Khazaras professed Judaism… In spite of the negligible information of an archaeologica nature, the presence of Jewish groups and the impact of Jewish ideas in Eastern Europe are considerable during the Middle Ages. Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East often have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from with the former Khazar Empire.”

The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar.

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

In 1976, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler published a book called “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage.” He wrote: “The large majority of Jews after World War II in the world, were of Eastern origin-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga; not from the Canaan but from the Caucausus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race. Genetically, they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

In 2007, University of Tel Aviv history teacher, Schlomo Sand, verified their Turkish-Mongol heritage in his book called “Invention of the Jewish People.” He says that the “Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection.”

Rabbinical Torah Jews protest the Zionist state of Israel and say that is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism. They believe that the Ashkenazi Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

http://www.truetorahjews.org/our_mission

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/whatzionism.cfm

So even without the DNA studies, we have Jews proclaiming the same thing… that the majority of people called Jews are not the descendants of Abraham, and they have no right to the land or to speak for the Jewish people.

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Paul Renan October 16, 2015 at 1:22 pm

Why should they be right just because they are Jews?? It is easy to find many more Jews who would roundly refute them. I only accept sound academic empirical data and a broad consensus of the top academics in the field, specifically the most recent, as they have both recent and accumulative knowledge. Most importantly, one can only trust scholastic integrity, and sources that don’t commit the worst sin in philosophy and science- the sin of self contradiction.

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David October 16, 2015 at 1:37 pm

That is most illogical. Why would Jews give incriminating testimony against Jews, if it weren’t true?

Besides all of the witnesses, the Bible clearly proclaims that possession of the land was based on an IF/THEN covenant. If they obeyed God, they could have the land. Last time I checked the Bible testifies that God sent the Assyrians, the Babylonians and the Romans, to desolate the Israelites/Jews and destroy their temple, because of their disobedience.

The Jews in Israel have not shown obedience to God, because if you have not the Son, you have not the Father. They reject the Messiah of the Gospels, therefore they are disobedient, and they have no right to the land.

Luke 21:24 proclaims “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

If these people truly are Jews, then that would invalidate Messiah’s statement. I’ll side with Messiah, thanks.

Messiah proclaimed in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

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Ian October 17, 2015 at 11:45 pm

The devil hates Jews, children of Jacob today no less than he did in ancient times. There is an evil spirit or spirits working in Islam to destroy every last Jew off the face of the earth by driving them out of the land if Israel into the sea, or blasting them off the face of the map, is evidence to me that there are a significant number of Jews living in present Israel. This hatred would not be so sustained if it were not satanically inspired, and not a reality, regardless of percentage.
Satan has always wanted to destroy God’s covenant people. He tried to destroy the human race in Naoh’s day; to destroy Abraham’s great grand children in Egypt; to destroy the Davidic line especially in Solomon’s reign; to destroy Jesus ben David in Judea when just a child; to destroy Jesus the bringer in of a better covenant in Pilate’s day.
And Satan has not stopped since.
There is so much hatred, and denial expressed in many ways against both true Christians and those of Jewsih stock. So much disinformation. So many opinions. So much stuff.
The bottom line is that God knows who are those who have Jewish blood in them, just as He knows those who are His in Christ Jesus.
The land promised to Abraham Isaac and Jacob has not changed in its geography, and God has used wicked men to bring about some of His purposes concerning the decendants of Jacob, one being to bring many of them back into His land. God used wicked men to kill Jesus so that the new covenant would come into effect. Why can’t God use wicked men to return many Jews back to their land even though officially they still reject Yeshua?

How ever there are an estimated 10-15,000 Messianic Jews living in Israel, and if for no other reason, that tract of land called IsrAEL, is legitimately their’s by virtue of the fact that these Messianic Jews have had a new covenant written on their hearts, because of the blood of the Lamb of God.

If God could promise Abraham His friend that He would spare Sodom if He had found 10 righteous persons in it, in spite of all their vile and rampant wickedness, why could God not set up a new Statehood for His friend Abraham for these 10,000 plus Jews who believe in Yeshua?

Just because a Jew does not have 100% Jewsih DNA in his blood is not proof that he is not Jewish. This lack of 100% DNA pure blood is not just a Jewish thing, but is an inter-national reality.
Our God is an awesome God. Don’t you just love Him!

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Paul Renan October 18, 2015 at 2:14 pm

Amen Ian

Hi Ian
You are quite right. One thing all down the ages has been true – the hatred Satan has for the Jewish people. We see it in the Book of Revelation.

I also quite agree that just because a Jew does not have 100% Jewish DNA in him, does not mean he is not Jewish. After all, neither did David with a Moabite grandmother, or the children of Joseph and Moses. I agree also with you that the the Messianic Jews under the new and better Covenant have an unquestionable right to the land of Israel.

The wonderful thing about DNA studies is that it shows that all people are eventually of one blood as the Bible says, and also that no-one has racially pure DNA. It is just useful to fill in missing pages of History, and shows the Bible to be true ( not that we need it for this! )

Amen brother to all you have said ( if this gets to you )

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Debi October 21, 2015 at 5:17 am

Ian, will you PLEASE stop referring to “JEWS” as being the entirety of the children of Jacob? Jacob had TWELVE sons, and only ONEof these 12 sons was “Judah”, from where the word “Jew” has its foundation. Thats the same thing as calling all American citizens “Texans”, when there are other Americans from 49 different states…a MAJORITY of which are NOT TEXANS. Stop believing all the lies that are fed to you from multiple sources, and dig into the history of the bible regarding the complete and total differences between the House of Israel, and the House of Judah. And remeber that TWICE in Revelation, we are WARNED about “those who SAY THEY ARE JEWS, BUT ARE NOT”. Believe the WHOLE book, do your own research and study, and just…for the love of God…please stop talking about things you have no information about.

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Paul Renan October 21, 2015 at 2:07 pm

The 12 tribes of Jacob were separate with their own portion of land. Judah ( from whence the word Jew is derived ) was the ruling tribe .( The sceptre did not part from Judah)and our Lord was of Judah. The 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom under Saul,after the Battle of Gilboa, were united under one King, King David of Judah, who became king of Israel. The Assyrian and Babylonian captivity resulted in the dispersal of the 10 tribes. Judah alone remained intact ( with Benjamin incorporated into it ).That is why, in Ezra, Jews are mentioned for the first time as opposed to Israel. It is quite clear that the other tribes trickled back into Judah and were not lost, as evidenced by the mention of the tribe of Asher and Benjamin in the New Testament ( both not of Judah ). Yet by this time, the word Jew and Israelite were mentioned interchangeably ( St. Paul especially so,) because by then Judah incorporated all the other tribes.

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Ian February 27, 2016 at 2:39 am

Debi, I refer to Jews in a broad sense for this reason, perhaps you ahve forgotten the following Scriptures:

Each of the four gospels record Pilate asking Jesus, Are you the King of the Jews?
Did Jesus deny this plain question?
Did He say, NO! I am not King of the Jews but the King of Israel, of the Hebrews….don’t call Me that!

No. No. No.

Jesus said – You say that I am.
This was one way Jesus accepted the question as affirmative. Pilate may well have asked the question rhetorically. We don’t know. Either way, Jesus affrimed it as the case.

In John’s account Jesus replies to Pilate in this way: Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
A more fuller answer, plainly showing that Jesus was quite okay with that kingship tag.

Pilate made sure that all those in Jerusalem would not forget that Jesus was indeed King of the Jews. Pilate knew that Jesus was delivered up for envy, and this was his way of shaming them, and perhaps getting back at them, especially as he wanted to let Jesus go with just a flogging.

The Jewish religious elite didn’t want that appellation over Jesus head.

Although Pilate had asked Jesus what is truth. This was one truth that Pilate was going to enforce.

Jesus accepted this appellation as fact, that He was King of the Jews.

Add to that recorded fact Debi, the one found in Matthew 2:2.
The wise men from the East came to Jerusalem asking where is He that is Born King of the Jews, for we have seen His star in the east and have come to worship Him.

Next we have Nicodemus who comes to Jesus at night to discuss some matters. John the apostle calls Nicodemus a ruler of the Jews. John spoke the truth. Jesus said to him, Are you a ruler (instructor) in Israel and you do not know these things?
Nicodemus was an Israelite and Jew who was ruling over Israel over the Jews. Jesus underscored the fact.

Jesus told Pilate: “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”

Once again Jesus acknowledged that the term ‘Jews’ was a legitimate term for Hebrews, the sons of Jacob, who were alive in His day in Eretz Israel.

John uses the word ‘Jews’ 68 times (KJV, Strong’s) in his account. John is speaking about the Jews who lived in Israel.
Luke uses the word ‘Jews’ 71 times in the Book of Acts. Luke is primarily speaking of Jews across the region including those in Eretz Israel.

And you say Debi, that ‘Jews’ is not a legitmate term for Israelites of the house of Jacob?
Paul descirbes himself as a Hebrew of the Hebrews, of the tribe of Benjamin. Paul tells the chief captain that he is a “Jew”, Acts 21:39. Then when he addresses the crowd he says much the same thing, Acts 22:. Paul’s testimony is true.
Jews are Hebrews, Jesus was a Hebrew and a Jew. He was King of the Jews, and still is actually. They will worship Him as such one day soon, aftyer they go through the time of Jacob’s trouble.

Nathaniel when he first sees Jesus, says to Jesus “Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel” – John 1:49 Nathaniel was an Israelite, a Jew, a Hebrew. of the house of Jacob, and jesus was his King.

According to Scripture we have every right to use the term Jew for Hebrews, for Jacob’s sons, or even for those who have become Jews, just
like any goyim – gentile who wanted to become an Israelite and keep God’s Law. They were adopted into the house of Jacob.

As for “Jews who say they are Jews and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan” Jesus is dealing In Rev 2 and 3 with spiritual issues, not local temporal, or nationalistic matters.
The fact that He uses Satan’s name is indicative of spiritual issues.

Be ready!

Peace be within your walls oh Jerusalem…when you turn to Messiah – Emmanuel. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

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Paul Renan October 18, 2015 at 11:53 pm

And has God cast away His people? God forbid! For I too am an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew” Romans 11 Therefore, Paul is referring to physical Israel as he refers to his tribe..Your comment that God has done away with natural Israel is therefore contrary to Scripture.
The whole book should be read in context, and in the context of the entire scriptures. Then the book of revelation will make sense.

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David October 19, 2015 at 9:22 am

Where does this study say “God has done away with natural Israel“? It proclaims that Israel is made up of natural Jews, and Gentiles who have been grafted in. Both Jew and Gentile are made one in Messiah.

As for that applying to Revelation, I do not understand. Revelation is about the historical battle of the Satan-empowered Roman beast against Messiah and His Church. Israel is not a nation in the Middle East, it is the body of Messiah. His Church is made up of Jews and Gentiles.

Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendants is offered to them in the New Covenant.

A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

The promises that were made to Abraham are ultimately to those who believe by faith, not his physical descendants.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, etc. all believed that the Messiah would come and atone for their sins. We look back on that event.

Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God.

“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God.

“Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.

“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns.

The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

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Paul Renan October 19, 2015 at 10:17 am

If Paul were speaking of a spiritual Israel in Romans 11, he would not have mentioned his tribe. He is saying that the fact that he and other Jews are believers ( as most early Christians were Jews, not gentiles ) is proof that God has not done away with His people. Nothing could be clearer. Romans 11 also deals with a future time when Jews would turn as a nation to their Lord. ( If their falling away means riches to the gentiles what would their return be but life from the dead ) This is entirely keeping with the prophecies in Zechariah. It will be the Jewish inhabitants of Jerusalem , who, will ” look on the One they have pierced, and mourn Him like a long lost son ” The Spirit of supplication here is one of repentance. This did not happen in 70 AD. The Lord Jesus makes this clear in Luke 21 where He speaks of a time period until their return. ( ” Jerusalem will be trampled by the gentiles UNTIL ( key word ) the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. 1 Peter also makes clear that the end time events take place far in the future, and cannot be measured. As to Revelation speaking of 70 AD, this is hardly possible, as it was written in 95 AD ( although Preterists insist otherwise. ) The confusion comes from the fact that our Lord was answering two questions in Matt24 and Luke 21 , not one.

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David October 19, 2015 at 10:50 am

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God. “For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ. “Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.

Paul was saying that though I am a physical Israelite, a true Israelite is one who believes in the atoning work of Messiah, thus they are the seed of promise.

I did not say that Revelation spoke of 70 A.D. Revelation is the historical battle of the Church of Messiah against Satan and his Roman beast kingdom. The Church is made up of Jews and Gentiles, all of which make up true Israel.

Many prophecies such as Daniel 9, Matthew 24 and Daniel 12, point to 70 A.D. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/daniel-12-prophecy-deception/

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Paul Renan October 19, 2015 at 11:31 am

Yes, I misread your comments on Revelation. Apologies.
Romans 9 , can only be taken in the context of the whole of Romans. As Paul clearly draws a distinction between ethnic Jews and ethnic gentiles in Romans 11, it is unlikely that he viewed this differently in Romans 9. He is obviously saying that it is not enough for a Jew to be circumcised outwardly. He must be circumcised inwardly.Yes, Galatians speaks of the children of the promise which applies to both Jews and Gentiles, in the Messiah. It in no way negates God’s promise to the nation of Israel. I notice you ignore the texts I gave you. If you read them altogether, scripture will interpret itself.

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Paul Renan October 19, 2015 at 1:08 pm

Additional point

Daniel 12 does not point to 70 AD, a fact which is immediately apparent when it speaks of the resurrection and the final judgement. Matthew 24, as I pointed out previously addresses two questions, one touching on the destruction of the Temple as an immediate event, and the 2nd Coming of the Lord Jesus in the future

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David October 19, 2015 at 1:26 pm

You obviously didn’t read the Daniel 12 study, because it proves the fulfillment of the 1,290 days and 1,335 days, from 66-70 A.D. Daniel 12 does not mention the Resurrection or judgment, so not sure what you’re referring to…

As for the Lord coming in great power and glory, that was not talking about His second coming. It was about Him coming on the clouds to cause the Roman army to desolate the Jews and destroy the temple, just like Daniel 9 foretold.

Look at Matthew 26:63-64, when Messiah told the High Priest that he would see Him come in the clouds of heaven.

And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

He was telling the High Priest that though I look powerless now, you will see me come in great power and glory when the temple and city and Jews would be destroyed, because he rejected Him as Messiah and delivered Him up to be killed. To say that this was not fulfilled is to call Messiah a liar.

Here’s the study should you choose to pursue truth http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/matthew-24-jesus-coming-in-the-clouds-with-power-and-great-glory/

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Ian October 20, 2015 at 11:54 pm

David, are you absolutely certain that Caiaphas was alive at the time of Jerusalem’s seige and conquest? -The time when you say was the fulfillment of Matt 26:63-64?
His time in office was terminated by the Romans in AD36 or AD37 according to sources. The year given for his death is 36 AD. If this is true he was not alive at the conquest of Jerusalem.

Is there any written or otherwise evidence that anyone or even the Christians saw Jesus coming in the clouds of Heaven at the time of the Roman conquest of Jerusalem?
If you believe this to be so, just say that you believe it. But belief is not scientific evidence, it is faith based evidence. Then you can only say on the basis that you believe any one who denies what you say is a liar. This position can’t be verified objectively.

David, how can you be absolutely certain that Jesus was NOT referring to Caiaphas being in Hell and seeing the coming of the Son of Man at the close of the age?
Once aqain it is because you believe such and such to be the case, therefore it is true.
Biblical prophecy as I have mentioned on other occasions can have mulitple fulfillments. And while many of the things that Jesus details in His late discourses were fulfilled in His generation, various details were for later times.
One example of multiple fulfillments is concerning ‘antichrist’ prophecies.
And John in his letter makes this abundantly plain.
And history records prove this. Any one who denies the Son of God as Scripture reveals Him, is an antichrist. The world is about to see the the grand daddy of them all.

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David October 21, 2015 at 9:45 am

Ian, you are commenting on the “Christians Should Not Support Israel”. In the future please comment on the appropriate page, in this case http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/matthew-24-jesus-coming-in-the-clouds-with-power-and-great-glory/

I accept your point about Caiaphas and his death. Messiah may have been referring to the fact that He would shortly be resurrected and ascend to heaven. No doubt the High Priest in 70 A.D. did indeed witness these things.

If you read the study you see the witness of Josephus about he and others witnessed in the clouds.

I’ll take Messiah at His word when He said “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” Just because we don’t understand every detail of the fulfillment does not put aside His clear words.

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Paul Renan October 19, 2015 at 1:44 pm

Daniel 12:2 ” Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting shame and contempt” It could not be clearer.There is absolutely nothing in Matthew 26 that implies that the Lord’s coming in the clouds of Heaven had anything to do with the sacking of Jerusalem. It refers to His exaltation at God;s right hand after the resurrection and to His subsequent 2nd Coming. One must be very careful not to read INTO the text, and not letting the text speak for itself. It is also important not to ignore other texts on the same subject that elucidate this.

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David October 19, 2015 at 1:49 pm

Daniel 12:2 “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

This isn’t about Jesus second coming, rather it’s about waking up people who are spiritually dead.

Referring to the beginning of Jesus ministry, Matthew 4:14-16 says, “The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light, And upon those who sat in the region and shadow of death, Light has dawned. From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Jesus said, “The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and they that hear shall live.” John 5:25

Paul affirmed this, “Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.” Ephesians 5:14

Jesus, the Light of the World, shined on them during His 3.5 year ministry, which occurred during the 70th week of Daniel. Some accepted Him as their Messiah and were saved to everlasting life; some rejected Him and were condemned.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:18

When Paul preached the gospel to the Jews in Antioch, they rejected his message.

Paul responded with “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.” Acts 13:46

This fulfills Jesus parable of the Wedding Feast, that when the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah and they persecuted and killed His servants, He responded with,

“But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.”

“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’”

Messiah clearly stated that the High Priest would see Him come on the clouds. My explanation accounts for that, yours makes him a liar.

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Paul Renan October 19, 2015 at 2:08 pm

Sorry, that is stretching the text way beyond anything it allows. Awaking from the dust is a clear reference to a literal resurrection and cannot be seen in any other light. Again, this is not the only place in the Bible where it is mentioned in this regard. If it referred to a spiritual awakening , it would hardly have included those who would wake to everlasting punishment.

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Ian October 21, 2015 at 1:13 am

I agree Paul.
Jesus and Paul make clear references to those who ‘sleep’ (died) and their being raised from death. It is common expression in the N.T. (KJV and others) and it is an influence from the Hebrew language, of which both Jesus and Paul were familiar.
Paul actually says that we (believers) shall not all sleep (die), but we shall all be changed 1 Cor 15:51.

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Paul Renan October 21, 2015 at 2:12 pm

Hi Ian

Those are important points that you have made, and also bring to mind Paul’s letter to the Corinthians when warning against taking communion without discernment and reverence. Some fell sick, and others “fell asleep “

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Ian February 27, 2016 at 2:43 am

Hello Paul
from Down Under – Australia

Ian

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Ian October 21, 2015 at 2:24 am

David, in regards to Matthew 24 please note the following:
Jesus speaks of wars and rumours of wars, kingdom against kingdom, of famines, pestilences, earthquakes, in various places. Never has there been such a proliferation of such clamatis and events like thses as in our day and age in all recorded history. To say nothing of the abundance of flase christs, false teachers, false apostles, false prophets, and falsefied Bibles.

It was gruesome to the max in the time of the conquest of Jeruasalem. And it was gruesome in Zedekiah’s day when Babylon ransacked Jerusalem. Mothers eating their own babies in the seige, and all other kinds of atrocities.
There is no dispute about what happened in 70AD. Josephus only writes about past history, he is not prophesying about the future.

Never in the history of the world has the gospel of Jesus Christ been so widely broadcast thorught the world as in our day. It is happening through printed page including Bibles, through social media, and on foot – face to face. Just as the Romans built roads throughtout their empire thus facilitating the gospel being spread (not planned by them), so too in this age as the world gets smaller to use the phrase, the gospel is being spread by most extraordinary means.
Jesus knew that all these things were going to take place; this is why He spoke of them for this generation, not just the generation of His day. There are multiple fulfillments and often on a greater magnitude in later fulfillments.

Jesus tells us that Jerusalem shall be trodden down under foot until the times of the gentiles shall be fulfilled. Luke 21:24.
Jerusalem was trodden under foot unmistakably by the Gentile -Titus, and it did not stop there until 1967 when, like it or not, Israeii soldiers liberated Jersualem in the six day war. No matter what you think of it, or Israel, this was not a fluke, nor was it only an orchestrated work of Elite Masters of the World.
Moshe Dayan, a secular Jew, after the miracle of the war put his note in the Wall and news reporters later had a look to see what he had written to G-d. It was a quote from Psalm 118:23.
From a human perspective Israel should have been wiped off the map. It was outnumbered on three fronts; Russia had supplied the Arab nations with 2 billions dollars of war supplies.

“It was only during the 19 years of illegal Jordanian occupation — from 1948, when Jews were expelled, through 1967 — that Jews were prevented access to their holy city. In an effort to erase evidence of centuries of Jewish presence, all 58 synagogues in the Jordanian controlled sector were destroyed.” http://www.sixdaywar.org/myths-and-facts.asp#US-aid
Like it or not, dismiss it, deny it, it makes no difference, modern facts speak for themselves: -The times of the Gentiles treading down Jerusalem finished in 1967.

Jesus said Jerusalem would be “trodden down UNTIL…”. This plainly means that when that time is finished, that city would be free from continuous Gentile domination. Although a small break will occur when the Peace Treaty is fianlly signed, that treaty will not last, but even then Jews will still be a dominant force in Jerusalem.

While I do not dismiss factual ancient history, nor do I dismiss modern factual history. I believe Jesus is speaking of mutilple time periods.
And so, the world is set to divide Israel once again – this is a fact. God will judge those who do; that is a fact.
Israel is yet to see an unequalled time of Jacob’s trouble. That I believe is a fact.

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David October 21, 2015 at 9:57 am

I’ve address the two most difficult parts of Matthew 24 “The Great Tribulation of Matthew 24” and “Messiah Coming In The Clouds With Power And Great Glory”. The other warnings of wars and rumours of wars, kingdom against kingdom, of famines, pestilences, earthquakes, in various places, are easily explained as Josephus documented that all of those things happened before 70 A.D.

Acts 11:27-9 alludes to the famine in the time of Claudius. Tacitus speaks of signs in the form of “repeated earthquakes,” a shortage of grain resulting in famine (at one point Rome had only 15 days’ worth of food); Josephus reports of famine during the siege of Jerusalem; the earthquake in Philippi (Acts 16); Pompeii suffered quakes as a preliminary to the eruption of Vesuvius; Josephus reports a severe earthquake in Judea, and quakes were reported by secular historians as occurring throughout the Greco-Roman world.

When Stephen was stoned to death, the disciples scattered. The Apostles traveled to many places preaching the Gospel. Reading through Acts and the Epistles, we see how the Gospel spread around the Roman Empire, which is the world of prophecy.

But we need to look behind a key word: world — this time, it isn’t aion, and it also isn’t kosmos, the word which indicates the broadest possible connotations, as we noted earlier — this time, it is oikoumene, a word used to express only the Roman Empire (cf. Acts 11:28, Luke 2:1).

It is significant that this is the only place Matthew uses this word; he has selected it carefully as a geographical delimitation; it is also significant that he has used this word rather than kosmos as he did with reference to the spreading of the Gospel correspondent with the separation of the justified and the wicked. The gospel had to be preached to the Roman Empire as a whole before the end of the age.

You mentioned that Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. If the Jews in Israel are truly the Jews of the Bible, then Jerusalem is not trodden down by the Gentiles any longer, which means that the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. Of course we know that is not true, and if you read this study it proves that the great majority of people called Jews in Israel are not the descendants of Abraham.

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David October 21, 2015 at 10:06 am

Lest you think that these ideas are just my own, I point you to these brilliant theologians, who wrote whole Bible commentaries before all of the deceptions of Futurism crept into the Church.

Albert Barnes’ Notes on the Bible: Coming in the clouds of heaven. See Barnes Mt 24, Mt 25. The meaning of this is, You shall see the sign from heaven which you have so often demanded; even the Messiah returning himself as the sign, with great glory, to destroy your city, and to judge the world.

Adam Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible: Thou hast said – That is, I am the Christ, the promised Messiah, (see on Mt 26:25 (note)); and you and this whole nation shall shortly have the fullest proof of it: for hereafter, in a few years, ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, fully invested with absolute dominion, and coming in the clouds of heaven, to execute judgment upon this wicked race. See Mt 24:30.

John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible: and coming in, the clouds of heaven. So Christ’s coming to take vengeance on the Jewish nation, as it is often called the coming of the son of man, is described in this manner, Mt 24:27. Though this may also be understood of Christ’s second coming to judgment, at the last day; when as he went up to heaven in a cloud, he will return, and come also in the clouds of heaven; see Ac 1:9 Re 1:7, when he will be seen by the eyes of all, good and bad; and when this sanhedrim, before whom he now was, will see him also, and confess that he is Lord and Christ, and the Son of God.

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Paul Renan October 21, 2015 at 2:29 pm

Great points that you have made. I completely agree.

Matthew 25, and Revelation 1 shows very clearly that the coming of the Lord will be in judgement of the whole world, and therefore the final Judgement
So does Thessalonians and Peter. Caiphas will certainly see this.

Preterists tend to ignore Zechariah 12 because they wish to see an end of the Jewish people in 70AD, but Zechariah speaks of the return of Jesus and the inhabitants of Jerusalem turning to their Messiah. The implication is that God is not finished with them.

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Paul Renan October 21, 2015 at 2:35 pm

Quite right. I totally agree. The Luke account of the Olivet discourse makes it clear that the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the Return of Jesus are separated by a period of time. Peter goes further with his reference to a day in the eyes of the Lord are as a thousand years, and he would certainly have been present at the Olivet discourse.

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Paul Renan October 21, 2015 at 2:50 pm

One extra comment – Jerusalem is not completely in Jewish hands yet , as seen in current events. Jordan still remains the custodian of the Al Asqa Mosque, which sits above the Temple ruins, where Jews are not allowed to pray, in their holiest site. Jerusalem still remains, therefore, trampled by the gentiles.

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David October 21, 2015 at 2:58 pm

Paul, I’ve explained my perspective and I’ve let you express yours. But if you’re going to accuse me of being driven by hate, your comments are no longer welcome here and they will not be posted.

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Ian October 21, 2015 at 10:46 pm

Thank you David, I had a question as to where I should post my comment about Caiaphas, but was hoping it would be fine. I have the works of Josephus here at home, so will investigate what he says about witness in the clouds.

The words of our Lord Jesus are irrevocable. I accept them fully just as He said, the question remains – what did He mean? And it is not always apparent. One thing is for sure; Jesus knows exactly what He meant. The fact is that sometimes we don’t always get it right. My prayer for you David is along the lines of Col 1:9- and Eph 1:15-23.

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David October 21, 2015 at 11:03 pm

No worries Ian, it just helps visitors who are reading comments, to be able to read the related study on the same page. Thank you for your prayers. I’m teachable, and I’ve taken what commenters have said, researched it and changed my perspective. That said, I’ve done a lot of research, and I’m confident in what I believe.

When I saw how Daniel 9, Daniel 12 and the Matthew 24 are directly related, I understood the fulfillment. The Gospel of Luke filled in a lot of what’s missing in Matthew. Again, what I teach lines up with what Messiah proclaimed, that all those things would be fulfilled in that generation. In Matthew 23 He proclaimed that the righteous blood would be exacted on that generation. There is no guessing what He meant, as we know that much blood was shed on that generation.

One work that really helped me see the fulfillment is “The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation” by Phillip Mauro, who wrote in 1921 to combat the growing Futurism deceptions. Here is a link to the PDF of the study.

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/The-Seventy-Weeks-and-the-Great-Tribulation2.pdf

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Gabriel October 25, 2015 at 10:45 am

I’m sure this page is hard to understand for many of you out there, and I’m sure many of you have read the bible, BUT DID YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ? In Revelation 11:8 Jerusalem is called spiritual Sodom and Egypt! The land where our Lord was crucified! HELLO! ANYBODY HOME? The TRUTH, is that Israel is the hidden hand behind American politics and banking, plus they own all of Hollywood and every television station and news channel! They have been telling you how you should think every since you started watching that little black box. That’s why it is hard for many of you to break the cycle and realize that you’ve been being fed smut for years. Fox news, CNN, and presidential debates are nothing but Shakespearean theatre making you think you have a choice. The only true choice you can make in this life is Jesus Christ! I hope that He takes the blinders off of your eyes and let’s you understand the bible verses you read. It’s all in there. I suggest reading “conspiracy of the 6 pointed star” by Texe Marrs, “Final Judgement” by Michael Collins Piper and “Solving The Mystery Of Babylon The Great” by Edward Hendrie.

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David October 25, 2015 at 11:38 am

The only thing that I would add Gabriel is that the Zionist Jews and the state of Israel, are controlled by the Jesuits of Rome, who are the earth beast of Revelation 13. The Jesuits control the Rothchild’s, who control Israel and the Zionist Jews who have stolen our wealth, who control our media, who control Hollywood, etc. So yes, the Zionists are guilty, but they are just a front for the Jesuits of Rome, so that if/when the world finds out about all of their deceptions, they will blame the Jews.

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Gabriel October 25, 2015 at 4:47 pm

I think you should read the above mentioned book by Edward Hendrie. I do know the Jesuits are part of it, but from what I understand, crypto – jews actually infiltrated the order of the jesuits and catholic curch. The solution to the mystery of Babylon the great is that the Babylonian religion flowed through the jews to the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman church was established by crypto – jews as a false “Christian” front for a judaic/Babylonian religion. An occult society of jews replaced gods commands with Babylonian dogma. Jesus said to them, “year are of your FATHER THE DEVIL, and the lust of your father year will do!” John 8:44. This corrupted religion, known as judaism, was later cloaked in Christian language, while keeping it’s Babylonian substance, and became an apostate church. Paul warned that after he departed grievous wolves would enter in among the disciples and that “of your own selves shall MEN arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” Acts 20:29-31. Furthermore, God prophesied that “some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to SEDUCING SPIRITS, and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.” 1 TIM 4:1. the attempt to corrupt the gospel to comport with this judaic/Babylonian MYSTICISM was immediately detected by the early Christian disciples. “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 1:4. The devil’s disciples succeeded in perverting the gospel and creating a Judaic/Babylonian form of ersatz “christianity,” which grew to become the Roman Catholic Church. That church has a facade of piety, but it IS THE HABITATION OF DEVILS, and it’s doom is sealed by God.

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David October 25, 2015 at 5:11 pm

Thanks Gabriel! I have the book “Solving The Mystery Of Babylon The Great” by Edward Hendrie. And I don’t disagree that cyrpto-Jews may be a part of the Jesuits and Catholic Church. I simply look to Scripture which points to Rome, to the Popes and the Jesuit Generals.

Daniel, Paul and John all described the same thing, the antichrist Popes of Rome rising to power after the Roman Empire collapsed.

After the internal collapse from civil war, famine and pestilence; and after the Roman Empire was attacked by many armies; the last Western Roman Emperor was removed in 476 A.D.

The 10 horns of the 4th beast of Daniel 7 foretold that the Roman Empire would split into 10 civil kingdoms, and that a Little Horn, the Popes of Rome, would rise up among them, and pluck out three of the kingdoms that did not bow down to his authority.

The ‘restrainer’ of 2 Thessalonians 2 described the Roman Emperors who restrained the Popes from taking power.

But shortly after the last Roman Emperor was removed in 476 A.D., the Son of Perdition, the Popes of Rome, rose to power in 538 A.D. And they soon proclaimed to be God.

The sea beast of Revelation 13 rose up out of the people groups, out of the 10 civil kingdoms that were created when the Roman Empire collapsed.

The Popes were given civil and ecclesiastic power as a church/state, and they took the Emperor’s title of Pontifex Maximus, and the ‘deadly head wound’ was healed.

Revelation 17 tells us that five forms of Roman government, referred to as kings, had passed when John wrote Revelation.

One was at the time, the Emperors of Rome. And one existed during the ‘short space’ between 476, when the last Roman Emperor was removed, and 538, when the Popes of Rome took power.

So I simply point to Rome, as Daniel told us that the least beast which would exist until Messiah returns, is Rome.

John used the code name of Babylon to point to Rome. http://christianitybeliefs.org/revelation-timeline-decoded/babylon-is-the-code-name-of-rome/

All Roads Lead To Rome!

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Gabriel October 25, 2015 at 5:29 pm

I think we’re TRYING to say the same thing, but what was explained in my last comment is that Rome is jewish! From it’s inception! A lot of the popes were crypto-jews! Probably even tho one’s today.

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David October 25, 2015 at 5:35 pm

No doubt we are! It’s just that people like Texe Marrs only point to the Jews as the evil ones, instead of pointing to the Jesuits, who control the Jews and the Zionist state of Israel.

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Gabriel October 25, 2015 at 6:11 pm

Rome IS Jewish!!! Created by crypto-jews. EVERYTHING IS JEWISH OWNED AND CONTROLLED! The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion have been precisely followed! The Talmud and the kabbalah are the most satanic books in the world. YOU’RE twisting it, (just like a true jew) , by claiming the jews are the front for the church when in fact it’s the other way around! You sir, have been figured out.

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David October 25, 2015 at 8:12 pm

I’m twisting it? I’ve been figured out? Seriously, have you read the many studies on my website that go verse by verse, which point to Rome? Show me where the controlling powers in Revelation 13 point to the Jews?

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Gabriel October 25, 2015 at 6:41 pm

You get all of these idiots on here who know absolutely nothing, then someone comes along with the REAL truth and then you try to discredit it or avoid the real issue, that it is the jews! (Those who say they are, but are not) aka the synagogue of satan. For some reason you keep pointing your finger away from the jews, yet this page is called, “why Christians shouldn’t support Israel.” Makes me wonder exactly WHO your allegiance is to.

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David October 25, 2015 at 8:15 pm

My allegiance is to Messiah only! Not a church, not the Zionists. If you can’t have a civil discussion without calling people names, then I will not allow your posts. It would seem that your allegiance is to Rome and you’re twisting truth to deflect blame away from them. Just like a good Jesuit would do.

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Paul Renan October 26, 2015 at 1:12 am

” The Roman Church was established by cryto-Jews.” The only glaring problem with this statement is that you claim that most Jews are Khazars. The Khazars, Central Asian people with Mongolian eyes and short, upturned typically Mongolian noses, only arrived in Europe in the 9th Century.) Tell us please when the Roman Church was established, and who were the crypto Jews of Rome if they were not Khazars?

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Brother Raoul October 29, 2015 at 7:12 am

Hello Brother David. I have been looking at your website. I came across this page about Israel. I will refrain from saying much about some of your other ‘insights’ supposedly received by you as direct revelations from the LORD.

In the prophet Jeremiah chapter 31 we are told that the New Covenant would be made with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah and not with the Church. Beleiving Gentiles are grafted into the ‘root’ (Israel) Furthermore, Abraham’s physical decendants were promised the land of Israel as “an everlasting possesion.” ‘Palestine’ is a Myth and a lie of the Devil! The Bible calls the land of Israel, ISRAEL! Yeshua Himself called the Land Israel! (Matthew 10:23) It is a historical fact that the Romans renamed the land of Israel ‘Palestine’ The word coming from the word “Phillistine”

I have no problems with what Paul writes; “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.”

Circumcision of the heart by the Ruach Ha Kodesh in both the Tenakh and the New Testament is the pre-requisite for enterance into the Kingdom of God as Yeshua clearly explained to Nichodemus in John chapter 3. Having said this in no way cancells out the LORD’s promises to restore the Land of Israel to the Jewish people. A restoration that was born in 1948.

In Ezekiel 37 you have a clear description of the national and spiritual restoration of Israel in the Last Days. Ezekiel 38-39 follow after Ezekiel 37. The passages are chronological. There is much I could write from scripture concerning the restoration of Israel. According to Ezekiel 37 they are gathered back into the land in unbelief and in the land they are reconciled to their long lost brother Yeshua Ha Mashiach. After the time of Jacob’s Trouble all Israel will be saved. What I am writing in this poat is not even the tip of the great Iceberg of scripture that supports the spiritual and restoration of Israel as a nation in the Last Days.

As to your interpretations of Bible Prophecy concerning Rome creating Islam you are approaching Echatology with a western mindset. Rome is only part of MYSTERY BABYLON. The nations mentioned in Biblical eschatology are virtually all islamic today. ‘Allah’ was around centuries before the Roman Catholic Church. If you go to Judges chapter eight and read the NASB translation you will find that Gideon removed THE CRESCENT ORNAMENTS from around the necks of the enemies camels. The souce of MYSTERY BABYLON is not Rome but Nimrod and Semiranis at the tower of Babel.

The Crescent moon (male god) and the star (the female goddess) go all the way back to the satanic worship practiced in the cities in the Babylon and Assyria of Nimrod who was himself the first major type of Antichrist in the Bible. In Biblcal Eschatology the King of Babylon and the King of Assyria are major types of the Antichrist. They were Middle-Eastern potentates and not European ones at all.

I have looked at your Eschatology and I find it Biblically deficient. Western commentators have seen Rome as MYSTERY BABYLON but they are reading into a Jewish book with a western system of Eschatology that missinterprets and does not do justice to the way a first century Jewish believer would approach Bible Prophecy. Furthermore, they are not seeing the nations mentioned specifically by name in the Bible are virtually all Islamic today.

My genuine concern dear brother is your stance on Israel. Even though at present Israel is primarily a secular nation with a lot of religion and have a false Rabbinic Judaism (Not the Judaism of Moses and Torah) they are still the LORD’s covenant people. Besides if the LORD cannot be depended upon to keep His promises to Israel then how can we depend on Him to keep His promises to the Church? Again it needs to be said clearly that the New Covenant was cut with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah and not with the Church. We have Augustine and Co to thank for replacement theology! On the Day of Pentecost David’s fallen tabernacle was restored. The first Church was Jewish. Having said this in no way negates or does away with the LORD’s promises, sworn in a covenmant of blood with Abraham to restore the nation of Israel in the Last Days.

I am genuinely sad to see you stance on Israel and quite frankly my dearest brother you are the one who is on very dangerous ground spiritually to in effect disparage and denigrate Israel as you have done on this website. When Yeshua comes back you may well find yourself on the wrong side! You have been baraking for the wrong team! I refrain from saying anymore at this point. It would seem that this article actually ‘smacks’ of Antisemitism!

At first I was interested in your views but as I read through your website and came to the article denigrating Israel I had trouble curbing my anger! Furthermore, to say “the LORD told me” is to make yourself accountable to the LORD for what you have prophesied in His name. If you are wrong then you will be “counselling rebellion against the LORD” The LORD took the life of the false prophet Hananiah because he had prophesied falsely and was was preaching “rebellion against the LORD! ” (These are the LORD’s words not mine)

It may well be dear brother that you are the one leading the LORD’s people astray concerning Israel! Do you in fact understand the sacredness of a blood covenant in Bible times and what it meant to those who cut it? Do you understand at all the Jewish way of approaching and understanding Biblical Eschatology? I do think you are to a great degree a stranger to the covenants of promise and a stranger to the Commonwealth of Israel!

As to the ‘Palestinian’ issue you may like to read the latest update on our website titled “The Palestinian’ Myth” Link:http://www.blowthetrumpet.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90&Itemid=28

You may choose not to publish this post. That is your perogative. I was not going to write any response until I saw this article on Israel. Undoubtably there will be others who will react much stronger than I have and have Biblical proof as well to refute your seemingly ‘Antisemitic’ position.

Anyway you are my brother in Ha Mashiach. Shalom to you always in and only through Yeshua Ha Mashiach. http://www.blowthetrumpet.com.au

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David October 29, 2015 at 9:15 am

Dear Brother Raoul, I have never said any of this information on this page is a direct word from the Lord. It’s filled with the witness of many Jews against the Zionists, the fake Jews.

Regarding the promise in Jeremiah 31, that has already been fulfilled, as some from the House of Israel had regathered in Galilee, which is the first place that Messiah ministered in, and it is where He found His disciples. Messiah drew the two houses back together, to form one house, the House of Israel, which is now made up of all who believe in the atoning work of Messiah. Here is my study which proves the regathering already happened http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-regathering-deception/

You declare that the Romans called the land Palestine, but then proclaim that it never existed. Makes no sense. After the Babylonians and Romans desolated Jerusalem and the Jews, people from the House of Israel remained in the land called Palestine. Seems like they are Palestinians to me friend. Here is my study on Palestine http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/palestine-never-existed-reasoning-from-zionist-christians-refuted/

The land promise was an IF/THEN covenant. IF you obey, THEN you can possess the land. Please show me how the leaders of Israel have obeyed the Father. If you have not the Son, you have not the Father.

And you are ignoring the many witnesses from Jews, that the majority of people called Jews, are Jews by religion, not because they are the descendants of Abraham; which means that they have no right to the land or to persecute the Palestinians.

As for prophecy pointing to Rome, my many studies on Daniel, 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation, all prove that Rome is the last beast of Daniel. It has changed forms over the years from the Roman Empire, to the Roman Catholic Church, to the Jesuits of Rome; but all roads lead to Rome.

I don’t teach replacement theology. I simply teach that Messiah offered a New Covenant which was ratified with His blood. In His covenant all are gathered into one body, one Church. That includes people from the House of Israel, people from the House of Judah, and Gentiles. That is what the Old Testament proclaimed, that Messiah would come for the House of Israel and the House of Judah, and that He would also graft in gentiles, so that all would praise His name.

Most of the Jews in Israel are not the descendants of Abraham, so they are not Semites; so it is impossible for this page to be anti-Semitic. Besides that, most of the witnesses are Jewish, so your accusation is invalid.

Do I understand the Jewish way of approaching the Bible? You mean the same Jews who the Father berated through His prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah? Who the Father sent the Babylonians to desolate and take captive? You mean the Jews who Messiah berated in Matthew 23, saying there were of the devil? Who the Messiah sent the Roman army to desolate? Seriously? I do not look to Jews, but to the Scriptures!

I dare say you defend people who are from the Synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

The true nation of Israel is made up of the followers of Messiah. “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light” 1 Peter 2:9

I will pray for you that Ruach Elohim will grant you eye salve to see the truth, for you have been deceived by the enemy. Shalom in Yahusha’s mighty name!

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Paul Renan October 29, 2015 at 10:30 am

Raoul is quite right. The Romans renamed the province of Judea, Syria Palestina, a reference to the ancient Philistines , the traditional enemies of the Jews, as punishment for the 2nd Jewish Revolt in 132 AD. Nonetheless, Raoul is also historically quite correct in saying that there never was a Palestine, as historically it never existed as a sovereign state except when in Jewish hands . During Ottoman times it was merely a province of Southern Syria. Palestinians often claim descent from the Philistines, which would make their distant homeland in Crete, from whence they emanated. In reality, they come from multiple sources in the Middle East.” Everyone knows that half of the Palestinians are from Egypt, and the other half from Saudi Arabia>” This was said in an interview on Egyptian television by the leader of Hamas himself.

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David October 29, 2015 at 11:00 am

Here are some quotes from David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel, about a place called PALESTINE:

“Everybody sees the problem in the relations between the Jews and the Arabs. But not everybody sees that there’s no solution to it. There is no solution! . . . The conflict between the interests of the Jews and the interests of the Arabs in PALESTINE cannot be resolved by sophisms. I don’t know any Arabs who would agree to PALESTINE being ours—even if we learn Arabic . . .and I have no need to learn Arabic. On the other hand, I don’t see why ‘Mustafa’ should learn Hebrew. . . . There’s a national question here. We want the country to be ours. The Arabs want the country to be theirs.” (One Palestine Complete, p. 116)

“The Arab community in PALESTINE is an organic, inseparable part of the landscape. It is embedded in the country. The Arabs work the land, and will remain.” Ben-Gurion even held that the Palestinian Arabs had full rights in PALESTINE, “since the only right by which a people can claim to possess a land indefinitely is the right conferred by willingness to work.” They had the same opportunity to establish that right as the Zionists did. (Shabtai Teveth, p. 5-6)

“There is a conflict, a great conflict.” not in the economic but the political realm. “There is fundamental conflict. We and they want the same thing: We both want PALESTINE. And that is the fundamental conflict.” (Shabtai Teveth, p. 166)

“Within then the next twenty years, we must have a Jewish majority in PALESTINE.” (Shabtai Teveth, p. 43)

“PALESTINE is not an empty country . . . on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants.” Ben-Gurion often returned to this point, emphasizing that Palestinian Arabs had “the full right” to an independent economic, cultural, and communal life, but not political. (Shabtai Teveth, p. 37-38)

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story638.html

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Paul Renan October 29, 2015 at 12:07 pm

That is not an argument at all. It was always so -named as a geographical area from 132 AD, but never existed as a sovereign state. Israel was the only sovereign state that took up that area during the thousand year period of the Jewish monarchy, and now. Those are undisputed facts and it is waste of time trying to dispute them. RHODESIA was , and still is, in history, named often as an entity, but it never existed under international law.

Paul Renan October 29, 2015 at 12:10 pm

I would also add to the comment below, that my great great grandfather, Joshua Hughes-Games, the Archdeacon of the Isle of Man visited the Holy Land in 1890. I have seen his diaries, and he was amazed at the desolation of the country.

Brother Raoul October 29, 2015 at 6:36 pm

Hello Brother David. 1. Jeremiah 31:31 speaks of the New Covenant cut in the blood of Yeshua with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah. The covenant was made with Israel and not with the Church. The faithful Church shares in the blessings of the New Covenant. Gentile believers are grafted into the ‘root’ which is Israel according to Romans 9-11 where Paul deals with this subject.

Of course a true Jew is one circumcised in heart by the Ruach Ha-Kodesh and their praise is from God not men. On the Day of Pentecost David’s fallen tabernacle was restored. This was the former rain of the Ruach Ha-Kodesh. However, the latter rain of the Ruach Ha-Kodesh will see Israel as a nation saved at the end of the Time of Jacobs Trouble (Jeremiah 30:1-7) In that day ‘All Israel will be saved!”

2. The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people. It was always called the Land of Israel from the time Jacob wrestled with his Messiah and consequently had his name changed to Israel. Before that from the conquest of the land by Joshua it was the land of Canaan. The whole land of Israel was never called ‘Palestine’ in the Bible. I have already mentioned how the the Romans came up with the name ‘Palestine.’

Link: http://www.blowthetrumpet.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90&Itemid=28

3. It is obvious you do not understand the way the writers of both testaments handled Eschatology. Prophecy from the Jewish perspective is “a pattern” i.e., multiple and partial fulfillments all having a similar pattern to them with an ultimate fulfillment at the end. This is clearly the way prophecy is handled in the Bible. It is a Jewish book and not a western book and it needs to be understood with a Jewish way of understanding enlightened by the Ruach Ha-Kodesh.

4. As I mentioned from the passage in Ezekiel 37 that Israel would be gathered to the Land in unbelief in the Last days and then after they were back in the Land be revived spiritually. The text is clear. The Valley of dry bones comes together (1948) The breath of the Ruach Ha-Kodesh revives the Jewish people after they are back in the land of Israel. This will happen at the end of the Time of Jacob’s Trouble.

The spiritual and national restoration of Israel as a nation is all through the writings of the prophets. To try to ‘spiritualise’ texts relating to Israel as a nation and apply them to the Church is like trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. You may whittle down the peg theologically speaking but in the end it will not fit. How you can ignore the many prophecies in the Tenakh clearly foretelling the restoration of Israel to their own land in the Last days is indeed a spiritual deception in itself!

My dear brother if anyone is deceived in relation to the restoration of Israel as a nation it is you. Those who touch Israel in the way you are doing touch the Apple of God’s eye. No one is diminishing the value of the Body of Ha Mashiach the faithful Church but remember you do not support the “root” (Israel) but the “root” supports you (Gentile believers). If the root has gone so are the branches both the cultivated and the uncultivated branches connected to the root. Paul teaches this in Romans 9-11.

Election has to do with nations. If you are a believer then you are part of the elect! Shalom.Brother Raoul

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David October 29, 2015 at 8:26 pm

Hello Brother Raoul. Saying that the land of Israel has always belonged to the Jewish people is inaccurate. The land was given to the 12 tribes. The tribe of Judah is just one of the 12 tribes. Last time I checked Elohim sent the Assyrians to remove the House of Israel; He sent the Babylonians to desolate the city and temple and take Jews captive or kill them; He sent the Roman army to desolate the temple and city, desolate the Jews with 1.1 million dying from 66-70 A.D. Doesn’t sound like it belongs to them to me.

You are the one who is deceived about who the Jews in Israel are. You ignore Messiah’s words in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

You ignore the DNA studies and witness from Jew who testify that most of the people called Jews are not the descendants of Abraham.

You ignore the Torah Jews who proclaim that the Zionists have no right to the land of Israel or to speak for Jews.

You ignore the testimony of Miko Peled, the son of the late Israeli general Mattityahu Peled, who proclaims that the Zionist leaders are Israel are not Jewish.

You ignore the satanic six-sided hexagram on the Israeli flag, which was put there by the Satan-worshiping Rothchild family, who owns most of Israel; who paid for and designed the Israeli Supreme Court building that has the masonic, satanic pyramid with an all-seeing eye on it.

So don’t tell me that I am deceived about the nation of Israel. It is you who has been blinded by the enemy. It is you who supports these people who don’t proclaim the Messiah.

As for understanding the ‘Jewish’ perspective on prophecy, no thanks, I’ve read Isaiah and Jeremiah and what the Father said about the Jews. I know what their Babylonian Talmud says about Messiah, about Mary and about His followers.

If you really understood prophecy fulfillment, you would know that Revelation is not about the Jews. It is about Messiah’s Church, which is made up of Jews and Gentiles.

You friend are supporting the enemy and you will stand before your Messiah and be held accountable for it. We should pray for Jews to read the Scriptures and find their Messiah, but we should not support the Zionist state of Israel.

Shalom

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Ton Nuiten October 29, 2015 at 1:07 pm

A great article! Dear Stacy: Let’s suppose that the current Jews are really the true descendants of Abraham. For the good order: I don’t believe they are. But again, let’s suppose that they are. Even then, the Jews are not God’s chosen people and have no right on Palestine. Nowhere in the Bible can we find something of a second restoration of the Jews to Palestine in the end times! Furthermore, the apostle Paul teaches that there is no difference whatsoever between Jews and non-Jews. Jews and non-Jews who together believe in Jesus Christ, the Messiah, are one in Him. And all Jews and non-Jews who are out there, without Christ, are treated as equal by the Lord. So, we have this picture: Christian Jews and non-Jews are all equal before God as His children; Jews and non-Jews out there, without Christ, are also equal before God: they all are sinners! God makes no distinction between Jewish and non-Jewish believers; He makes also no distinction between non-believing Jews and non-Jews. And this is the true “black-white, biblical” picture! Nowadays, however, many deluded Christians are telling us that believing Jews within the Church are “Messianic Jews” among non-Jewish Christians. That’s, of course, completely wrong; Jews and non-Jew are both one in Christ. So, even if the current Jews are really the true descendants of Abraham (what I don’t believe), the theology of those Christians (Christian Zionists) is completely wrong. They keep saying that the Jews are God’s chosen people because they are Jews. And it is here that the racist and demonic nature of their unholy doctrine becomes very clear. But their unholy doctrine crashes down as it is very clear now, that the current Jews are not really Jews at all. For short: the so-called “Jewish” Khazarians have destroyed the nasty Christian Zionist doctrine once and for good!

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David October 29, 2015 at 1:15 pm

Thank you for your comment Ton 🙂 The evil one has caused the followers of Christ to not realize who they are, God’s Chosen People.

The remnant has always been the Chosen One’s. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, the prophets, etc., all trusted by faith that the promised Messiah would atone for their sins.

The vast majority of the Israelites chose to worship other gods and were not saved.

John the Baptist, the disciples who were of the House of Israel and the House of Judah, Paul the Apostle, the 3,000 Jews who were saved on Pentecost, etc., all trusted by faith in the atoning work of Christ on the cross.

The vast majority of the Jews rejected Him as their Messiah and were lost.

Today the remnant believes in Christ’s atoning work alone, but the majority of people reject Him and are lost.

Jews forbid one another to read the New Testament, so they blind themselves to the truth about their Messiah.

There has always been a remnant who believed. The only thing that has changed is that Jesus offered His New Covenant, where He put His law in our minds and wrote it on our hearts. His remnant, His Chosen People, have always trusted by faith.

Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendants is offered to them in the New Covenant.

A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

The promises that were made to Abraham are ultimately to those who believe by faith, not his physical descendants.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, etc. all believed that the Messiah would come and atone for their sins. We look back on that event.

Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God.

“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God.

“Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.

“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns.

The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

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Paul Renan November 11, 2015 at 12:16 am

Nowhere in the Bible can we find a reference to a second return of the Jews to Israel??
Isaiah 11:11-12 ” And it shall come to pass in that day, the LORD shall set His hand A SECOND TIME to recover the remnant of His people, which shall be left from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, Cush, and from Elam, and from shinar, and from hamath, and from the Islands of the Sea. And he shal set up an ensign for the nations , AND SHALL ASSEMBLE THE OUTCASTS OF ISRAEL AND GATHER THE DISPERSED OF JUDAH FROM ALL CORNERS OF THE EARTH”

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Paul Renan October 29, 2015 at 10:42 pm

You claim that Raoul ignores the DNA studies on the subject. So far, the only ones you have placed before him include one which practically says the opposite of what you claim, and another that has been discredited by all the main scholars and geneticists. Have you read the studies to which I referred you? And what do they say?

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David October 29, 2015 at 10:59 pm

DNA studies aside, there are enough testimonies from Jews, to understand that the Zionists of Israel are not the descendants of Abraham, and they have no right to the land or to persecute the Palestinians. Have you listened to their message?

Rabbinical Torah Jews believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent true Jews or Judaism.

They believe that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

They believe that contemporary sovereignty over the Holy Land belongs to those who have lived there for centuries, the Palestinians.

http://www.truetorahjews.org/our_mission

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/whatzionism.cfm

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Paul Renan October 30, 2015 at 1:16 am

You are wise to put DNA studies aside, for the reasons I have already proved to you. The fact that there are Jews who do not believe in the state of Israel does not obviate the far greater proportion of Jews who do. Therefore, that is also not an argument.

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David October 30, 2015 at 10:15 am

You twist my words Paul, and just focus on what you want to focus on, and ignore the testimony of many Jews against the Zionists of Israel. My point that even without the DNA evidence, there is plenty of evidence to condemn the state of Israel. Of course the people called Jews don’t testify against the Zionists, they get Billions of Dollars of support from America.

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Paul Renan October 30, 2015 at 1:25 am

“Rabbinical Torah Jews do not support the state of Israel?” Again, whilst some don’t the majority do. That is why Israel has a Chief Rabbinate representing all three Jewish communities. The term ” rabbinical Torah Jews ” is incorrect, probably because you are unfamiliar with it. In fact it is a contradiction in terms. Rabbinical Judaism places equal , if not more weight on expositions of the scriptures rather than the scriptures themselves. That is what the Lord Jesus criticised them for.The term “rabbinical” has nothing to do with Zionism per se. That is why Kaaraite Judaism stands in opposition to Rabbinical Judaism because it puts the Bible first.

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David October 30, 2015 at 10:17 am

Yet you ignore the Jews who do not benefit from the Zionist state of Israel, who are not biased. Thanks for all of your comments, Google loves them 🙂

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Paul Renan October 30, 2015 at 10:31 am

Now how does this connect to Rabbinical Judaism, which was the subject under discussion?? Your point was that Rabbinical Jews do not support the state of Israel. I showed you that a) this assertion is erroneous, and b) the rabbinical Judaism is not the best example of Torah based Jewish thinking.

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David October 30, 2015 at 10:59 am

This page isn’t about what Jews believe about the Torah, it is about Jews who proclaim that the Zionists in Israel have no right to speak for Jews. You claim to support the Jews, maybe you should listen to their message.

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Paul Renan October 30, 2015 at 10:28 am

There is no twisting of words in the case, and I am fully aware of your point. I stated , and do so again , that you have avoided any reference to the DNA studies to which I have referred you because their implication will not suit your position. I say again, it was a wise decision.

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David October 30, 2015 at 10:57 am

I did not put aside the DNA studies and you know it, so quit twisting my words. I was making the point that aside from the DNA tests, there is plenty of evidence. SMH!

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Paul Renan November 3, 2015 at 9:08 am

Quite right Eddie. Replacement “theology” tries to use verses like” there is no Jew nor Greek slave nor free ” , as a way of proving that Paul thought that God was done with the Jews. Apart from Romans 11 which you rightly point out, they are also not very fond of Romans 15 verse 25-27 ” For it pleased those from Macedonia and Archaia to make some contribution to the poor among the set apart ones in Jerusalem. For they were pleased, for they are their debtors. For if the gentiles partook of their spiritual matters, their duty is also to serve them in material matters ”
I doubt that those deceived by replacement theology would like the idea of realizing they are debtors to the believing Jews still ( especially in material matters !

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David November 3, 2015 at 9:41 am

The words ”there is no Jew nor Greek slave nor free” actually proves that the Jews were not done away with, just like Paul said. It’s telling us that all who believe by faith in the atoning work of Messiah, are saved. The ‘church’ was founded on Jews, such as the 3,000 who believed on the day of Pentecost.

Romans 11:26-27 is not referring to the modern state of Israel, nor is it referring to the whole physical House of Israel. It is proclaiming the same story as that of Jacob, who became Israel, when he believed by faith.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.”

Those who don’t believe are as Jacob, lost in their sins. Those who do believe are as Israel, saved by grace.

We have all been made one in Messiah, Jews and Gentiles. We pray that in these end times, that many unbelieving Jews and Gentiles, proclaim their believe in Messiah.

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Paul Renan November 3, 2015 at 9:55 am

I agree with your last comment. However, you state ” Romans11:26-27 is not referring to the modern state of Israel. Whoever said it was?? It speaks of a time when there will be a return of the Jewish people to their Messiah, as prophesied in Zechariah, as the entire context of Romans 11 shows. Paul is looking into the future. Jacob never refers to gentiles in their unbelieving state but to Jews – again, read the context of the quotation.

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David November 3, 2015 at 10:39 am

I see so many Christians quote Romans 11:25 and say that it is talking about the modern state of Israel. Agreed that Jacob is referring to unbelieving Jews. And when Paul wrote Romans there were many unbelieving Jesus. I do not believe that Paul is looking to the end times. He is simply declaring that those who believe by faith are the true Israel, which of course are saved.

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Anon November 18, 2015 at 8:49 pm

Hi. Just read this blog and it is good. I am supposedly of Jewish ancestors, yet as a Christian I know that something is not right with what some prophecy today, especially when certain factors are taken into consideration. A good video to watch is Tens of thousands of Jews protest the state of Israel in New York City on YouTube.

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David November 18, 2015 at 9:01 pm

Yes, the True Torah Jews group and the NKUSA group do a great job of demonstrating in New York and Washington D.C., to help people see the truth about the Zionists in Israel.
http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/true-torah-jews-believe-that-the-state-of-israel-is-illegitimate-in-the-eyes-of-god/

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Paul Renan November 18, 2015 at 11:52 pm

Why would you use True Torah Jews to bolster your argument? By your reckoning they are Khazars and not true Jews anyway. As they certainly do not acknowledge Jesus as Messiah and Lord, their interpretation of scripture is mislead in the first place, and they are far from understanding the true Torah.

Paul Renan November 19, 2015 at 9:46 am

I ignore their testimony because they deny Jesus as their Saviour which shows that their grasp of the scriptures are not to be acknowledged,. There are many more Jews who do not agree with them whose testimony you ignorebecause they are at variance with your position. Besides which, the prophecies are very clear about the Jews returning to their land and coming to their Messiah. Those are the Jews whose testimony you should be seeking.

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David November 19, 2015 at 10:19 am

Look at how hypocritical your logic is. You disagree with me citing Torah Jews who declare the Zionist leaders as frauds, but then you turn around and point to the many Jews would do not agree with them, who also deny Jesus as their Savior.

I should be seeking their testimony? Here is the testimony of their Babylonian Talmud:

– “Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.” Gittin 57a
– “Jesus’ mother was a whore who played the harlot with carpenters.” Shabbath 104b
– “Christians are allied with hell, and Christianity is worse than incest.” Abodah Zara 17a
– “Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle.” Kerithuth 6b

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Anon November 20, 2015 at 2:56 am

I have been trying to say for years now something similar. But, it seems, at least online, that nothing is getting through and I have given up online. But, it’s good to read such blogs. I believe it is important because I personally believe there will be a world deceiver – imitating Christ’s second advent. When Christians proclaim Christ will sit on a throne in earthly Jerusalem, I know Jesus told us to NOT GO OUT – do not believe them. Yet, many Christians today believe the opposite – they believe the Messiah will sit on a throne in Jerusalem. How deceived they have become. It’s frustrating trying to warn people who can’t see even when scriptures are presented to them.

As for the True Torah Jews… I hear their beliefs that they are not to return from exile until the messiah. They don’t know yet that is Jesus Christ. Pray for them.

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David November 20, 2015 at 8:03 am

The Spirit taught me through marketing to put yourself in front of people who are looking for what you offer. People that are searching for truth can find it. But if you try to teach it to people who aren’t looking for it, you will be met with resistance.

I too believe that the enemy may stage a false Messiah in Jerusalem, which is why they had to take control of the land through the Rothchild family.

As much as I admire the True Torah Jews willingness to proclaim the truth about the Zionists of Israel, it breaks my heart that they don’t have a covenant relationship with the Messiah. If they would only read Isaiah 53, Daniel 9, the Gospels and the book of Hebrews, they would find their Messiah. But they forbid one another from reading those passages, and so they blind themselves. We must pray that the Spirit moves greatly among them in these last days.

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john November 23, 2015 at 10:16 pm

i am a Believer in Christ, the Messiah, of the Jews. The Jesus of Nazareth. I myself once thought as you do. I expounded that belief of kazaria. Even though dna does not trace back to mediteranean, but that was all ready known by the word askenaz, as in Genesis gomers son askanazi, and we all know that gomer was a gentile, from the isles. i read Torah scripture and the scripture matches the modern jews even if they adopted Judaism in the 8th or 9th century AD. Same type of people who claim Holiness yet walk after the flesh. Using others for there own pleasures.Creating laws while not adhering to laws that were created from the foundation of LAW which is contained in the Torah..Same people Jews that dis-obey deut 23. The deniers of Christ and God yet claimers of God, sound like a vaudevillle act. The flesh which Jews seek and serve by law, Jesus came to shed physical law and replace with spirit where the laws of the carnal have no effect. The law is to help others before oneself. Serve others instead of being served. Regardless if other dna proves a lineage back to king david, how about the african jews? They are not jews either? I will support a people who live in Torah, regardless of race or nationality, people who study Torah, not talmud, the talmud is like afternoon reading when you have a siesta, ponderer of meaning, or quantum law(mans script not Gods Laws.)talmud is a stubbling block place by men who want to be called rabbi. The Torah brings health to those who live by the words of instruction for it teaches control over desires, light instead of darkness. Jesus followed Torah prophets wrote of Messiah after studying Torah. Jews are Jews regardless of heritage, who else is speaking hebrew the Chinese? They speak Hebrew they study the Torah they have rabbis, these are the latest and greatest jews of human history, whether they came from russia, or africa,or iran or persia,or whereever…. like albert einstein?haha.
jewsih mysticism, hogwash, kaballah lalalala ,witch craft, sorcery which God in Torah says is no GOOD. Making news Laws because they couldn’t follow the old laws.
BTW Tesla is my vote for the smartest man of the 20th century.
Whether the state known as israel is from God or not from God i will stand with the jews in a land called israel for it is Christ the King of the Jews who i follow. islam is where you should be fighting, not against the Jews please. Put your resources into shedding light on the false religion named islam, and its lies and law that is directly opposite of the Torah.
Follow the Messiah the Spirit of the Law pleasing to all persons, even when they come from a false religion who do not tolerate toleration, and deny the Christ, Jesus. The Jews will reap what they sew for it is written. So be a blessing not a curse follow the Law.

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David November 24, 2015 at 9:25 am

Thanks for sharing John. If you read the studies on this website you see that my fight is not against Israel, but against Rome. The Jesuits of Rome own and control Israel via the Rothchild family. The Jesuits are the earth beast of Revelation 13, meaning they are the reigning power in the world, though they do it covertly through front organizations, such as the Zionists. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/

The Satanic hexagram is on the flag of Israel because Rothchild put it there. The pyramid with the all-seeing eye is on top of the Israel Supreme Court building because Rothchild put it there. So in supporting the Zionist state of Israel, you are supporting the Satanic Rothchilds. Pray for the Jews to find their Messiah by reading the Scriptures, but don’t blindly support Zionist Israel.

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Nitty1110@gmail.com December 2, 2015 at 4:43 pm

The bible is only for the 12 tribes of Israel.yea u know blacks,native American,Mexican so on u white people are not the children of God when the almighty comes I don’t feel sorry for you the book is our history book

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David December 2, 2015 at 10:43 pm

And just how would you know what race I am? I feel sorry for ignorant, judgmental people.

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God.

For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God.

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.

Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 2:11-13 says that the followers of Messiah are the commonwealth of Israel.

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel believes by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns.

Elohim is no respecter of race, He judges your heart.

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Joan Mulhern December 12, 2015 at 8:31 pm

What about the word Rabbi in Mathew 27 does it not say don.t use this name and master and Father. Are Bibles being manipulated? These are things I keep hearing about how do we decern God.s truth . only speaking to him. Bless 6everyone and let us seek Gods truth not the deciever.

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David December 13, 2015 at 10:35 am

Yes Joan, it says to not call leaders Rabbi or Father, so both the Jewish leaders and the Catholic leaders are violating His clear command.

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Joan Mulhern December 14, 2015 at 7:09 am

What about the second part of my question Bibles are they as they are meant to be or did satan contaminate them also, Look around eeryone is searching and looking in a daze for truth, I.m 58 and still not sure

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David December 14, 2015 at 9:49 am

I’m not a KJ-only person, but it is based on the right foundation of the Masoretic Text and the Textus Receptus. This study helps you see what key words are missing from modern Bibles such as the NIV, ESV, etc. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/kj-niv-esv-modern-bible-deception-verse-comparison-study/

There have been two paths of Scriptures, a pure one starting in Antioch, and a corrupt one starting in Alexandria Egypt. This study shows how that path extends to today’s Greek Bibles and modern Bibles. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/bible-manuscript-paths/

I reference the King James and Strong’s Hebrew and Greek words for studies. I also reference other versions such as Young’s Literal Translation and the ISR 98.

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feras January 7, 2016 at 10:17 pm

I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY SOME PEOPLE STILL ARGUING THIS AMAZING STUDY. GOD IS USING DAVID TO SHOE THE TRUTH. GOD IS TELLING US IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT THE PROMISE WAS MADE TO ABRAHAM SEED (SINGULAR) JESUS CHRIST, AND ITS TELLING US THAT US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM ARE THE BRANCHES OF HIS DIVINE. AND THE ORIGINAL BRANCHES IF THEY DON’T BEAR FRUITS IT WILL BE CUT AND BURNED .THE SCRIPTURES ARE TELLING US THAT WE ARE THE SPIRITUAL CIRCUMCISED ETC ETC. IF YOU DON’T WANT TO LISTEN TO DAVID PLEASE LISTEN TO GODS WORD.HOW CAN THEY BE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE When they deny Jesus. do you think god is racist ? For Gods Sake open you’re eyes before its too late .not much time left look at the darkness of this world and its our responsibility to seek the truth. may the holy spirit open your eyes and lighten you’re hearts. (feras)

Joseph December 20, 2015 at 9:53 pm

Hi David. Great presentation and I have enjoyed reading it. I’m not sure if you have been presented the information I’m about to share with you, and I am not sure if you will agree. But the New Testament should prove in the Book of Revelation, that the ancient state of Israel (12 Tribes) and the Mosaic Covenant came to its final end in 70AD. This is depicted in the book of Revelation 18:

Totality of Babylon’s Destruction

20Rejoice over her, you heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets; for God has avenged you on her.

21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

22And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of flutists, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in you; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he may be, shall be found any more in you; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in you;

23And the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in you: for your merchants were the great men of the earth; for by your sorceries were all nations deceived.

24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Mystery Babylon, “where our Lord was crucified” and who was responsible for the bloodshed of the Saints (Matthew 23) is Apostate Israel of the first century, whom Christ predicted/foretold of their destruction as “white washed walls”. The “great millstone” is a figure applied to Apostate Israel. A millstone was tied to the neck of figurative-Babylon (Apostate Israel who opposed and rejected Christ) and tossed into the sea (representing the nations), and never to be found again. Notice also verses 23 and 24:

23And the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in you: for your merchants were the great men of the earth; for by your sorceries were all nations deceived.

24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

This can be none other than Ancient Covenant Israel who apostatized their relationship with God when they told Pontius Pilot, “We have no king but Caesar” as they demanded the crucifixion of Jesus. Thus, they sold themselves into slavery and bondage with Rome. It is Jesus who enacted His revenge against them, who were responsible for the blood of the Prophets, Saints, and of all who were slain in the land (earth) of Israel. Remember that the “sea” represents the nations.

Notice also how it said, “The voice of the Bride and Bridegroom shall never be heard in you again”. This was once repeated in Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 25:

8Therefore thus saith the LORD of the hosts: Because ye have not heard my words, 9behold, I will send and take all the families of the north wind, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my slave, and will bring them against this land and against its inhabitants and against all these nations round about and will utterly destroy them and make them an astonishment, and a hissing, and perpetual desolations. 10And I will cause them to lose the voice of mirth and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the lamp. 11And this whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment; and these Gentiles shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

Jeremiah’s Prophesy was fulfilled against Jerusalem with the Babylonian captivity. John’s Prophesy in Revelation was fulfilled in 70AD, with the Roman captivity and destruction. Both events led to the voice of the Bride (as Saints of God) and the Bridegroom (God / Jesus) as ending because of their betrayal.

Lastly, notice how verse 21 says that the millstone/mystery Babylon (Ancient Israel) will never be found again. Only a remnant would be spared from the destruction and judgment in 70AD, and those were the Apostles and their Israeli disciples from the 12 Tribes of Israel. Peter addressed them in his last letter entitled, “To the 12 Tribes of Israel scattered abroad the nations” warning them that the predictions of Jesus were “at hand” and that the end of Israel of the flesh had come. The end the bible speaks of is not the end of the world, as many Christians have been taught. The ‘End’ they knew of was the end of the old covenant…aka, the Mosaic Covenant. The New Covenant would consist of Israel of faith and of the Spirit, first from the remnant (Jews), and lastly to the Gentiles. Thus, the true Israel of God represents children of faith, and not of flesh.

Now some idiots refer to this as “replacement theology”, and that’s just absurdly ignorant. God never said He would “replace” one Israel for another. He promised to FULFILL Israel by building her into what He has always intended; an Israel for the entire world based on faith, and not circumcision.

In conclusion, the notion of a restored/rebuilt Israel of the flesh is impossible and is not going to happen. The Israel of flesh came to its end in 70AD, when the Levitical Priesthood and its birth records were destroyed. In our day, no self-proclaimed Jew of the flesh can prove their lineage, without which one cannot claim heritage as an Israeli from the line of Abraham. Old Testament laws required that all Tribes maintain their lineage, or thus be rejected as a Gentile. If a tribe married outside of their Tribe, all lineage rights are passed on to the new lineage, much like Esau who sold his birth right.

There has not been an Israeli of the flesh for over 2,000 years, and there never will be again. Israel is not a design; it is a concept; a relationship with God base don faith, and not DNA.

The John Hagee’s are full of lies and deception, and/or are completely confused because of the Zionist Rothschild doctrine. They are to be pitied most of all.

Joseph

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Joseph December 20, 2015 at 10:17 pm

Hi again David:

I’d also like to add a comment about this absurd, “anti-sematic” charge we hear from Rothschild Zionist supporters. Why not start with Jesus, who Himself ridiculed the Jews exclaiming calling them liars, thieves, hypocrites, and children of the Devil?

Since these Haggenites (John Hagee followers) bow down to the Talmudist and demonic star (whom they attribute to the Patriarch David of the Old Testament), let it be known that they themselves are sinning by supporting a people professing to be Jews, yet do not even worship God All-Mighty. Those who support satan’s children, are showing that they too are the children of satan.

One of the biggest problems with Zionist Christians is their complete lack of understanding of God’s word, and their belief in too much myth.

I also scorn them when they try linking Hitler to the so-called, “Holocaust”, which that is NOT what that even can be called. Holocaust is a Jewish term meaning, “holy sacrifice”. Well first we know that those who were imprisoned by Hitler were not biological Jews descended from Abraham, then by definition that was not a “holocaust”. Second, what Hitler was doing is nothing more than what Rothschild and his fellow cronies were PAYING him to do in order to start another war. Hitler was primarily trying to clear up the problems they faced economically at the hands of Ashkenazim converts, all of whom took over Germany’s economy, boycotted foreign businesses and commerce, and also sold German citizens out to Britain during WWI, at which time Britain made a deal with German Ashkenzim’s to bring America into the war in exchange for Palestine. Hitler witness this as a child and watched his parents die by the Ashkenazim. Thus naturally, he would want revenge.

Sadly, the US has been infiltrated by European Ashkenazim’s as well, and all of our corporations, banks, and businesses have been overtaken by them. I’m not suggesting that the US should carry one as Hitler did. I’m merely stating that the same banking scams they pulled over Germany, is happening to us. These people currently control roughly 60% percent of Congress.

Houston? We’ve got a problem!

Joseph

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Zaakirah January 18, 2016 at 5:45 pm

The thing is people are now seeing the Jews who claim to be jews are really khazars.God says he will put in a false jew. And they are the synoguage of satan.However people are not asking where and WHO are the original Hebrews. Where are the 12 tribes?They have to fit the description of DEUTERONOMY 28. Obviously if some imposter has taken over some land and no one else can claim it, then the curses listed in DEUTERONOMY 28 have befallen on the Hebrews.
Read DEUTERONOMY 28 and ask yourself this question which group of people fits this description most?

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Paul Renan January 19, 2016 at 10:32 am

The suffering of the Jewish peoples , including the irrational hatred that people like you hold for them.proves they are the Jews of the Bible. Look at what the Lord Jesus predicted for them. The Khazars were not the ones who rejected Him at the Cross. You have been presented with the genetic and historical evidence which debunked the Khazar myth so I am not going to waste my time over that again.

By the way, I unsubscribed. Why do I continue to receive your messages?

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David January 19, 2016 at 11:01 am

Yes, you have presented much information, most of which I disagree with. Wordpress sends out the new post updates automatically, so I’m not sure why it didn’t remove you from the distribution list. Try clicking on the unsubscribe button on the bottom of the email again.

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Akaria January 29, 2016 at 1:31 pm

Yes it’s true that over 97% of people in Israel today confessing to be Jews aren’t the true Jews at all one day they will have to answer to God for confessing such blasphemous ! But the real Hebrews have been propheticaly scattered through out the world from ships into captivity they are all people of color of different shades, known as The Lost Tribes Of Isreal, descendants of Abrahams second wife Keturah..There are 12 tribes. (which are mentioned in the Holy Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation). Not 10, Jacob had 12 sons which where the 12 tribes of Israel… And yes this includes as far the middle eastern reigon the Palestinians and the Ethiopians as well who are also apart of the lost tribes. It is a known proven fact that the Caucasian Jews in Isreal today are not the actual true Jewish descendants during the day’s of Jesus in ancient Isreal !

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Hailey February 3, 2016 at 12:30 am

It’s really disheartening to hear so many replies that clearly show that many of you don’t understand the point of the article that was written and the implications or perhaps didn’t read the article at all. And @ the people talking about the holocaust… Germany was in the right in the war as was Italy and Japan. THE GOOD GUYS LOST! I know it is hard with all the Zionist propaganda in the US but Germany was forced into the war because they were being attacked by jews, not the other way around. The Zionist jews that is. read the talmud yourself. The talmud I is full of non jew hate. Hitler stood up to the new world order. In fighting Germany the US has helped set up the liar jews the bible warns us about… the senogauge of Satan. That matters because the US is so confused about the the war/ the bible/ is real because they don’t read their bibles and don’t read anything else of valve for that matter. Our media and gov is controlled by Zionist jews… just like hitler said they are. There was NO jewish halocaust!! The holocaust was for Japan and Germany as the allies bombed thousands of civilians AFTER they surrenedered! They didn’t do that to you now did they?! Wow you really have no clue you are fighting for and forking over money to the synagogue of Satan? Seems like the magority of people are oblivious to all history ww1 and 2.

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Hailey February 3, 2016 at 1:02 am

I would also like to clarify that I’m not talking about real jews…. I’m talking about the ones in high places, the ones who drove the Palestine out of there home killing them and still do, the ones who follow the talmud OVER the bible! Read the talmud. Read “the bad war”. Then read what Jesus said in your BIBLE!

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Dan Rhodes February 10, 2016 at 10:11 pm

It appears you hate Abraham and his children. If you hate, the Love of the Father is not in you. Simple. There are people who say they are Christians, but not. Then there are true Christians. Much like Israel; there are twelve tribes; ten is scattered and most don’t know who they are until the Eternal ELOHIM awakens them to who they are. Y’ HUDAH has always been the keepers of the TORAH.

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David February 10, 2016 at 10:23 pm

Dan, most of the witnesses on this page are Jews. If you support the Jews, why aren’t you listening to what they are saying about the Zionists?

Teaching the truth about the Zionist state of Israel is not hate.

Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendants is offered to them in the New Covenant.

A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

The promises that were made to Abraham are ultimately to those who believe by faith, not his physical descendants.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, etc. all believed that the Messiah would come and atone for their sins. We look back on that event.

Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God.

“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God.

Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.

Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns.

The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

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Terry McIntosh February 26, 2016 at 12:58 pm

http://christiannewswire.com/news/6880477482.html

A little truth mixed with political aspirations equals disaster. This news report presents a different perspective based on facts. Those who claim that today’s Jews are all impostors are partially correct, but not wholly. Those who claim that Jews represent God’s chosen people are partially correct, but not wholly.

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the Jewish people February 29, 2016 at 5:01 pm

god – the god of Israel will take his revenge on trash like you

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David February 29, 2016 at 9:30 pm

The fact that you use the name ‘god’ shows how ignorant your statement is. The Jewish people know that His name is not god. I worship YHUH, Yahuah, the One True Elohim of the Scriptures. I am an Israelite. I am a Jew. Try reading the Scriptures Jewish people!

Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendants is offered to them in the New Covenant.

A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

The promises that were made to Abraham are ultimately to those who believe by faith, not his physical descendants.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, etc. all believed that the Messiah would come and atone for their sins. We look back on that event.

Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God.

“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God.

“Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.

“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns.

The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

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Ian March 16, 2016 at 8:52 pm

David, may the Lord Jesus Christ bless you with unfailing grace and truth, adnb all those who love our Lord in sincerity and truth.

You don’t seem to understand OR is it that you don’t seem to allow for the fact that there are two distinct realms – coexisting – parallel to each other.

The spiritual – God’s Heavenly realm – the Kingdom of God and of His Christ – Lord Jesus, not of this world; and the natural – earthly bound realm.

By faith in Jesus Christ we who are waashed in the Blood of Jesus Christ and sealed with the Holy Spirit till the day of Redemption, are presently living in these two realms.

The day is coming when we will, if we remain faithful to jesus Christ and His doctrine – Word, be in one Kingdom, the Kingdom of God.

In the spiritual realm there is neither Jew nor Gentile, bond or free, male or female, Scythian or Barbarian. In God’s Heavenly spiritual realm there are no taxes, no computers.

As long as we live on this earth in mortal bodies these two kingdoms will be be running parallel.
The earthly realm allows for distinctions in, marriage, in responsibilities between male and female; distinctions between Jews and Australians, Canadians and Kurds, Malawians, Libyians, etc, et, etc; distinctions between the poor and the rich, between employers and employees, between members of clubs and non members, between kings and serfs, between presidents and the electorate.
I am sure you get the picture.

Israel as a country exists whether you like it or not. Jews, Arabs, and many other nationalities live side by side in this country regardless of it’s modern history and regardless whether you like it or not.
It is a fact.
That fact will not go away simply because some folk believe differently to varying degrees.
I am totally opposed to Satanic churches but they exist. I am totally opposed to genetic engineering as it is done by the craftiness of men to change the DNA structure of living organisms including those of mankind, but these things exist.

I am totally opposed to killing babies in the womb of their mothers. But this barbarity exists.

These few examples are established authorities and activities in this present world. Man is making his choices. God will judge our works and our hearts through the one He has raised from the dead – even Jesus Christ the Lord, on a set day soon to be revealed.

God recognizes marriages made between one man and one woman even if they refuse Jesus Christ. They are married and have made a covenant in the sight of God. Marriage btween one man and one woman is God’s idea and provision. God honours the state of this kind of marriage. God expects those so married to abide by that committment and will judge accordingly.

God respects His authority that He has given to all the children of men. The decisions may be wrong, but He acknowledges the decision and will judge accordingly.
This also goes for those who make agreements to establish governments and authorities to establish rule and order.

This very thing has happened in Israel today.

It is Elohiym who sets up kingdoms and pulls down kingdoms even tiny Israel. Daniel 2:21.
The kingdoms of the earth are not only the contrivance of men.

Today in modern Israel, God respects the authorities that exists in that place, just a Jesus respected the Roman authority presiding over ancient Israel in His day.
Pilate you may remember was told, You would have no authority unless it were given to you from above (Jesus).
The authority that exists in Israel exists because of God – Elohiym, not simply because of some ingenuity of evil rich powerful men wanting to dominate the entire world. Such an ambition is nothing new. Nimrod, Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzer, Aleaxander the Great, Nero, Constantine the Great, Mr Jorge Bergoglio, are just a few of the myriad wanna be rules of the earth.

God is well able to use everything, even such men to bring about His own purposes.
God is not so small minded as we humans think. It is we who are small minded.

Elohiym does accept the validity of languages and word variations. It was He Himself who gave mankind the many languages we have today, which as we know took place back in Genesis 11 when Elohiym scattered the human race by cconfusing the presiding universal and only language.

Elohiym can be sufficiently rendered in any other language by the relative word for deity. In Swahili it is “Mooigniazinoongo”. In Albanian it is “Zo”. In Hmong it is “Vajtswv”. In Greek it is “Θεός” – Theos. In English it is “God”. Case closed
Does Elohiym demand that every man only say His name in the Hebrew form and will only listen when they do? Not at all David. Not at all.

Let us not impose on God restrictions or limitations that He does not impose on Himself.

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Ian March 16, 2016 at 6:25 pm

‘the Jewish people’ ….
if you are truly a child of Abraham you would behave and speak in a manner that would have pleased your father Abraham. Did Abraham ever call people trash? If he did not neither should you if you are one of his children.

Elohiym of the Herbrew Scriptures, says in the prophecy of Isaiah 9:6 For a Child is born; to us a Son is given; and the government is on His shoulder; and His name is called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
You need to discover who that ‘Child’ is. When you find Him, you will find Elohiym. God bless you to find Him, the Mighty God.

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Marthinus March 3, 2016 at 4:23 am

God is not done with the Jews: They can come to Him in Christ, like Paul and the Apostles did: John14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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David March 3, 2016 at 7:52 am

We pray that Elohim makes a great move among Jews, to have a covenant relationship with Him through His Son!

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MJ12 March 16, 2016 at 10:26 am

Hahaha 😎😃😏💗💕👍 I’ve had Jewish friends on FB unfriend me or misunderstand me when I tried t in my item humble way say exactly what you do eloquently said.

THANK YOU, TRUTH WARRIOR. God surely is oppressed cos soaking the truth IS being the Light He asked us to be for Him.

Lord bless and keep you and your generations.

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Dan March 21, 2016 at 5:48 pm

Israel inst the state of Israel. Its the entire Caucasian race.

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Dennis Richardson May 19, 2016 at 7:04 pm

If I understand Rabbi Weiss say is that Ezekiel 37 is the spiritual restoration of Israeli Jews individually and that is yet future. I can accept that. Despite the fact that many Jews in Israel would do well for them to hear Weiss say what he says this, while in America. He should say it in Israel. In Israel it is an ongoing process. Pray for both sides to support the Peace of Jerusalem. The One and Only Hebrew God desires it. Even that statement by a protestant Christian can and has led to violence.

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David November 3, 2015 at 8:03 am

Eddie, does this page or website declare that God is done with the Jews? No! What it does is declare is that most of the people called Jews in Israel are not the descendants of Abraham. Physical lineage aside, the Scriptures clearly tell us who is a true Jew, who is of the House of Israel, which Paul was referring to in Romans 11.

In verse 26 he refers to ‘Israel’ and ‘Jacob’. Jacob did not have a covenant relationship with Elohim, until after he wrestled with Elohim and surrendered his heart, and believed by faith. Then he was called Israel.

His descendants are physically Jacob, but only those who believe in the atoning work of the promised Messiah, are called Israel. The very next verse proclaims that promise, which Messiah fulfilled when He died as the spotless Passover Lamb, “For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendants is offered to them in the New Covenant.

A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.

The promises that were made to Abraham are ultimately to those who believe by faith, not his physical descendants.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, etc. all believed that the Messiah would come and atone for their sins. We look back on that event.

Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?

Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God.

“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God.

“Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”

Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.

“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9

Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns.

The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.

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David September 6, 2015 at 9:53 am

Ian, let’s be clear. I’m the one who takes Messiah at His Word of “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled”.

So you can dismiss what Josephus said and make all sorts of statements, but the bottom line is that you dismiss what Messiah proclaimed.

If you knew the fulfillment of Daniel 12, you would know the answer about “unless the Lord had shortened those day for the elect sake “no flesh” would be saved.” http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/daniel-12-prophecy-deception/

The Roman army flooded Jerusalem at day 1,290 of the prophecy of Daniel 12. They killed hundreds of thousands by the sword. There was one last stronghold of Jews which was very inaccessible to the Romans. Then, for no apparent reason, the Jews in that stronghold surrendered to the Romans. This no doubt was the hand of God at work, for their surrender ended the siege at the 45 day mark, fulfilling the prophecy of 1,335 days.

As for “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations”, the word world is oikoumene, which means land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire.

Messiah was talking about the Roman empire, which in those times made up the world. And we know that after Stephen was killed, the Apostles scattered to all parts of the world, preaching the Gospel.

Andrew preached in Scythia, in Greece, in Asia Minor and Thrace.
Philip preached in Phrygia
Matthew went as a missionary to the Persians, Parthians and Medes. There is a legend that he died a martyr in Ethiopia.
Thomas preached in Parthia or Persia and was finally buried at Edessa. The later traditions carry him farther east.
Jude (Thaddeus) taught in Armenia, Syria and Persia where he was martyred.
And we know from the maps of Paul’s journeys that the Gospel was preached all over the Roman world.

The point isn’t that there haven’t been times when more people have been killed. The point is that there was never a more horrific time for people to be terrorized.

For example, Josephus records that one man, with the consent of his family, killed his children, his wife, his parents, and himself, to avoid a worse fate.

He records that because the famine was so bad, that Jews stuck outside the city walls at night to find food. And the Romans caught them, tortured them and crucified them on the trees outside the city. At one point they crucified hundreds every night, so that multiple bodies were on each tree, and that they ran out of trees to hang them on. And they did not take the bodies down to bury them. So thousands or tens of thousands of dead Jews hung on the trees around Jerusalem. And the birds and wild animals came and ate their flesh.

He records that bands of criminals went around slitting people’s throats, pouring out their blood, even in the temple.

He recorded that one esteemed lady killed her infant and roasted it to eat.

He recorded that dead bodies were stacked up all over Jerusalem, and the stench, and disease, and the scene, must have been horrific.

I dare say there has never been such a terrible scene since then.

Jesus didn’t need to refer to Josephus or authenticate his recordings. That is absurd. Obviously Josephus was used to document the events of that time.

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Ian September 14, 2015 at 9:33 pm

As I have answered but it came up on another entry earlier, I must have clcked the wrong tab.
I agree that it is absurd to suggest that Jesus needed to ask Josephus to authenticate His words. I presented it on that basis.

“I dare say there has never been such a terrible scene since then.” This sentence of yours appears, I say appears, to me, that you tend to think that nothing worse has happened since 70AD.

Please note the following:
“Millions and millions of natives perished, to the point where wolves were devouring them alive as they writhed in their villages. Today, the population of Native Americans is widely scattered, and many tribes and ancient customs have been lost forever.”
“Innocent children were injected by Turkish doctors with the blood of typhoid fever patients. Again, the true death counts are up for debate, but estimates of between 600,000 and 1.8 million dead Armenians have been advanced.”
“In the midst of this chaos, Hitler preached his message of hate, using the Jews as the scapegoat for Germany’s fall from grace. The rest is etched into history; the Jews were herded into ghettos, and eventually shuttled in train cars to concentration camps, where they were murdered and tortured in the most inconceivable fashion. By 1945, when the camps were liberated, at least six million Jews had been killed.” The above examples from http://www.listverse.

“The privately owned “Congo Free State” was controlled by Leopold II of Belgium. It is said that during his control of the region he committed numerous crimes against humanity upon the indigenous Africans of Central Africa. Estimated killed: 10,000,000 ” Rant Political
“The Dzungar Genocide was the extermination of the Dzungar people by Qianlong Emperor. Qianlong was a part of the Manchu Qing dynasty, which ruled China, and ordered the Genocide as a means of punishment for a Dzungar rebellion.
Estimated killed: 600,000 ” Rant Political
“The Holodomor was the extermination of Ukrainians by famine. It was perpetrated by the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin.
Estimated killed: 7,500,000” Rant Political
“The Asian Holocaust was perpetrated by Japanese Emperor Hirohito and the Imperial Japanese Army during World War II.
Estimated killed: 10,000,000” Rant Political.

These are a few entries one can easily source which seems in a number of cases to overshadow if not equal the 70AD massacre.

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David January 22, 2016 at 8:32 am

Bruce, apparently you commented on the other page before. Yeah, the Zionist deception is huge! And it’s not Jesuit nonsense, it’s the fulfillment of Bible prophecy which points to Rome. Zionist Israel is controlled by the Jesuit Rothchild family, to control the Middle East, and to deceive Christians about prophecy fulfillment, and to control Jerusalem for their One World Government headquarters

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David October 29, 2015 at 12:16 pm

So did the Indians who lived in the land now known as the United States of America have a sovereign state? They were here before anyone supposedly ‘discovered’ the land. And they were systematically killed and the land stolen. So saying that Palestine never existed because they were not a sovereign state, is inaccurate.

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Paul Renan October 29, 2015 at 12:31 pm

Again, no argument at all. The Indians had lived there with full control over their own affairs before the “Americans” came and stole the land from them. The geographical area of Palestine was never under it’s own control from the fall of Israel to it’s rebirth.That is the very definition of a sovereign state -having supreme and independent power of and in a state.

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David November 19, 2015 at 7:35 am

Why would I use their testimony? It seems pretty obvious. They are called Jews. Christians support the Jews and believe that they are God’s Chosen People. So I use their witness to help open up the eyes of Christians about the Zionist leaders of Israel. Why do you ignore their testimony? They are proclaiming the same things as I do on this page, that the leaders of Israel are not legitimate.

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