Please pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you, because many believers have been teaching false doctrine regarding the Jews and Israel.
If you read it based on your current understanding, then your previous programming will cause you to dismiss it as anti-semitic (which you will see, is not possible.)
What you will see is that most of the sources on this page are from Jewish people.
Be sure to read it all the way through, as it reveals who is a true Israelite, who is a true Jew, and who are the promised children of Elohim.
Consider the following facts to see why Christians should NOT support the state of Israel. Rather we should pray for Jews to come to know their Messiah, who has already come and ratified the everlasting covenant with His blood as the Passover Lamb.
The Jews are forbidden from possessing the land.
The Jews were removed from the promised land when Elohim sent the Babylonians and then the Romans, against them; because of their disobedience to Elohim, and their worship of foreign gods.
“And you, even of yourself, shall let go of your inheritance which I gave you. And I shall make you serve your enemies in a land which you have not known, for you have kindled a fire in My displeasure which burns forever.” Jeremiah 17:4
Many Torah Jews know this, which is why they protest against Zionist Israel, saying that it is illegitimate.
The Carnegie Endowment scholar and former editor of Foreign Policy, David Rothkopf says, “American Jews now have a duty to oppose Israel.”
For American Jews we have gone from a duty to support Israel to a duty to question Israel to a duty to oppose Israel.
How many abuses must take place? How many laws like this that claim racism as the national character and ethnic purity as its goal?… my point is that at some point my duty as an American (and as a Jew) is to actively oppose an ethno-nationalist regime that is systematically undermining the human rights of people within its borders & threatening peace and int’l values.
Israeli Professor Nurit Peled-Elhanan said in a speech, “Israel has reached an unimaginable peak of evil. And indeed many people all over the world find it hard to imagine that this is so.”
Who could imagine Jewish thugs, wearing black boots and helmets, armed with guns and batons, lashing dogs at small children and old people, or letting asylum seekers die of thirst in the desert and prisoners die of hunger strikes, punishing them and their families by sending them to confinement;
who would conceive of Jewish doctors driving a wounded man out of hospital and letting him die of thirst on a deserted road, who would think of Jewish soldiers breaking the neck of a young girl with a pink scarf for protesting against oppression.
Who could imagine the education of Jewish girls as consisting of beating up and harassing women and children, or a Jewish soldier girl receiving a badge of courage for murdering a Palestinian boy who went to fetch his birthday cake.
The only possible conclusion must be that Israeli evil has nothing to do with Judaism and that what is manifested in Israeli behavior is not Jewishness.
Rabbinical Torah Jews believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent true Jews or Judaism.
They believe that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!
They believe that contemporary sovereignty over the Holy Land belongs to those who have lived there for centuries, the Palestinians.
In this interview, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro, rabbi of Beis Medrash of Bayswater, explains the motives behind the claims of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders to represent all Jews. He explains how Zionism, starting from Theodor Herzl, unilaterally arrogated to itself the right to speak in the name of world Jewry. Rabbi Shapiro explains the motives behind this and the danger it poses to the Jewish people.
In this interview, Rabbi Weiss is sharply critical in his remarks of the ideology of Zionism, who wrongly claim to represent Jews.
“Don’t let the Zionist media fool you. There are hundreds of thousands of fervently anti-Zionist ultra-Orthodox Jews throughout the world, and we will never surrender to the Zionist idea…… Even secular Zionism has been a catastrophe for the Jewish people, but religious Zionism, combining two opposites into an unstable mixture, is leading the Jewish people to moral depravity. It is the complete inverse of the Jewish mission to be a light to the nations and bring peace to the world.” – True Torah Jews
You can read more about them at these websites:
True Torah Jews / Jews United Against Zionism
“The Arab nation never harmed the Jew until the advent of Jewish nationalism. The Zionists are heretics.” Rabbi Amram Blau 1894-1974
Since Torah Jews believe that the state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of Elohim, we should not support them either.
Dr. Hajo Meyer, Auschwitz survivor, said:
“If we want to stay really human beings, we must get up and call the Zionists what they are: Nazi criminals,” Meyer said. The hate of the Jews by the Germans “was less deeply rooted than the hate of the Palestinians by the Israeli Jews,” he observed. “The brainwashing of the Jewish Israeli populations is going on for over sixty years. They cannot see a Palestinian as a human being.”
“My message for the Palestinians is that they should not give up their fight,” he replied. “If they give up, they might lose their self-esteem with the ongoing humiliations by the Israeli Nazis. Fight with human means. It is justified to show to the Israeli Zionists that you are a force to reckon with. Fight with stones, with weapons. Yes, also with weapons. If you don’t fight, you lose your self-esteem and will not be respected by the Israelis.”
“If we Western democratic societies don’t support the Palestinians in their fight, we must feel ashamed if the Palestinians are annihilated. The US and the European Union must show their teeth,” he added.
Source: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/adri-nieuwhof/last-interview-auschwitz-survivor-urged-palestinians-not-give-their-fight
Dr. Chuck Baldwin, who ran for President of the United States, teaches why Zionist Israel is Hell’s Greatest Hoaxes On America.
Here is a short highlight that was taken from the two part sermons that are listed below.
Hell’s Greatest Hoaxes On America (Part 1)
Hell’s Greatest Hoaxes On America (Part 2)
Steven Ben-Denoon of Israeli News Live proclaims that top ISIS agents are Israel MOSSAD.
It is a shame to receive such news that Israeli Operatives are Leading ISIS in Mosul. This report comes after the fact that INL had once before reported from sources in the Israeli Military that had first shared this information with us.
Simon Elliot, who is no doubt Israeli MOSSAD, leads ISIS; with the alias Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
Here is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi with John McCain.
Jews Step Forward to denounce the Zionist state of Israel
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Ten Myths About Israel
In Ten Myths About Israel, Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, who lives in exile in Britain, deals in this book with the myths of Zionism and exposes them as legends consisting of half-truths and fabrications of history. The Zionist narrative has only little to do with historical reality and truth.
The author points out that the expulsion of the Palestinians in 1947/48 was “ethnic cleansing.”
Likewise, the 1967 June war, which is also called the Sixth Day War, was not an act of self-defense of the “little David” against an overpowering “Goliath,” but an Israeli attack on which the Israeli security establishment has minutely prepared for years.
He explores the claim that Palestine was an empty land at the time of the Balfour Declaration, as well as the formation of Zionism and its role in the early decades of nation building.
DNA studies confirm that 97% of people who call themselves Jews, ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.
In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim (a Jew), a biologist at Hebrew University, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood.
The newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and his associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, has confirmed that:
The various groups of Jews in the world today DO NOT share a common genetic origin, and their genome is largely Khazar.
In fact, DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Khazar ‘Jews!’
These DNA research results should cause you to question everything you know about modern day Jews and the state of Israel.
Today they’re called Ashkenazi Jews, but they are a Jew by religion, not by blood. Most of them have Turkish-Mongol DNA.
The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.
The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar. A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.
Jesus words that Jerusalem will be “trampled by Gentiles” are confirmed, as 97% of the so-called Jews in Israel are Gentiles.
To read a more in-depth study about this, click on Jews Who Are Not Jews.
Since they’re not the descendents of Abraham, then they don’t have a right to
the land or to persecute the Palestinians, who they kicked off of the land.
And Christians should not support them.
Miko Peled, the son of the late Israeli general Mattityahu Peled, proclaims that the Zionist leaders of Israel are not Jewish.
Miko Peled is an Israeli writer and activist and the author of “The General’s Son: Journey of an Israeli in Palestine.”
Mike has proclaimed that, “Israel is a racist criminal state that uses “security” as an excuse to murder innocent Palestinians and assassinate Palestinian political leaders, intellectuals and clergy. This has been going on for over six decades.”
Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament.
In Judaism’s Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded Christian scholar Michael Hoffman documents his provocative thesis that Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament.
It is the newly formalized belief system of the Pharisees, which arose in Babylon with the commitment of the formally oral traditions of the elders to writing, in the wake of the crucifixion of Israels Messiah and the destruction of the Temple.
Basing his findings on authoritative Judaic sources, Hoffman demonstrates that Judaism is a man-made religion of tradition and superstition, which represents the institutionalized nullification of Biblical law and doctrine.
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Quotes from Jews about Zionist Israel
Michael Selzer
“Zionism is a complex phenomenon, adequately understood by only a small percentage of its critics and by even a smaller percentage of its supporters.”
Sigmund Freud
“It would have seemed more sensible to me to establish a Jewish homeland on a less historically-burdened land. I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives.”
Erich Fromm
“The claim of the Jews to the Land of Israel cannot be a realistic political claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse.”
Albert Einstein
“I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain — especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state.”
Paul Wellstone
“Palestinians must no longer be subjected to the daily, often humiliating reminders that they lack basic freedom and control over their lives.”
Henry Hurwitz editor of The Menorah Journal
“We rub our eyes, some of us who were life long Zionists, and we hang our heads in shame. No, we must speak with frankness: this present Israel is not what we dreamed and hoped for and worked for, we who followed Herzl or Ahad Ha’Am, Brandeis or Weizmann.”
Isaac Asimov
“As usual, I found myself in the odd position of not being a Zionist… I just think it is more important to be human and to have a human heritage; and I think it is wrong for anyone to feel that there is anything special about any one heritage of whatever kind.”
I.F. Stone
“… Israel is creating a kind of moral schizophrenia in world Jewry. In the outside world the welfare of Jewry depends on the maintenance of secular, non-racial, pluralistic societies. In Israel, Jewry finds itself defending a society in which mixed marriages cannot be legalized, in which the ideal is racial and exclusionist. Jews might fight elsewhere for their very security and existence — against principles and practices they find themselves defending in Israel.”
Nahum Goldmann
“When Zionism first appeared on the world scene most Jews opposed it and scoffed at it. Herzl was only supported by a small minority.”
American Jewish Council 1944
“Jewish nationalism tends to confuse our fellowman about our place and function in society and diverts our own attention from our historic role to live as a religious community wherever we may dwell.” .…the concept of a theocratic state is long past. It is an anachronism. The concept of a racial state “the Hitlerian concept” is repugnant to the civilized world, as witness the fearful global war in which we are involved.”
Immanuel Wallerstein
“What the Israeli governments do not realize is that neither Hamas nor Hizbullah need Israel. It is Israel that needs them, and needs them desperately. If Israel wants not to become a Crusader state that is in the end extinguished, it is only Hamas and Hizbullah that can guarantee the survival of Israel. It is only when Israel is able to come to terms with them, as the deeply-rooted spokespersons of Palestinian and Arab nationalism, that Israel can live in peace……. Both Palestinian and world public opinion is moving towards the one-state solution. And this is of course the end of the Zionist project. The three-element strategy of Israel is decomposing. The iron fist no longer succeeds, much as it didn’t for George Bush in Iraq…….And will world public opinion continue to look sympathetically on Israel? It seems not. Can Israel now switch to an alternative strategy, of negotiating with the militant representatives of the Arab Palestinians, as an integral constituent of the Middle East, and not as an outpost of Europe? It seems quite late for that, quite possibly too late.”
Richard Cohen
“The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now. Israel fights Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south, but its most formidable enemy is history itself.”
Norman Finkelstein
“They used to say Palestinians fight like heroes, now they say heroes fight like Palestinians….People have to liberate themselves because liberation is not a single act. It’s a question of eternal vigilance…..Why should these Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for hundreds of years, be evicted from their homes so that Jews from Brooklyn can live in them?”
Richard Falk
“I think that my life’s work in a sense has been associated with helping or identifying with those who are victims of injustice. If we look at the world today, there are many victims of injustice. But I think the Palestinians stand out as the most victimized people in the world. And symbolically, their struggle is one that engages people of conscience everywhere in the world in a manner that resembles the way the anti-apartheid movement worked effectively to undermine South Africa’s claims of sovereignty and legitimacy. And I hope that this small role that I play contributes to that kind of process on behalf of the Palestinian.”
Gabriel Kolko
“The result of the creation of a state called Israel was abysmal. Jews from Poland have nothing in common with Germans and neither has anything to do with those from the Arab world. It is nationality, not religion, that counts most. Jews in Israel, especially the Germans, largely ghettoized themselves by their place of origin during the first generation, when a militarized culture produced the mixed new breed called sabras — an essentially anti-intellectual personality far different from the one the early Zionists, who were mostly socialists who preached the nobility of labor, expected to emerge. The large majority of Israelis are not in the least Jewish in the cultural sense, are scarcely socialist in any sense, and daily life and the way people live is no different in Israel than it is in Chicago or Amsterdam. There is simply no rational reason that justifies the state’s creation….The outcome is a small state with a military ethos that pervades all aspects of Israel’s culture, its politics and, above all, its response to the existence of Arabs in its midst and at its borders. From its inception, the ideology of the early Zionists — of Labor Zionism as well as the rightist Revisionism that Vladimir Jabotinsky produced — embodied a commitment to violence, erroneously called self-defense, and a virtual hysteria. As a transcendent idea, Zionism has no validity because the national differences between Jews are overwhelming.”
Murray Polner
“Back in the 1980s the major American Jewish welfare organization adopted as its fundraising slogan “We are One.” The implication was that American Jews were a united bloc. But we are not “one” and never have been. Ideologically, we are everything from anarchists to Zionists, working people to the gilded rich. Noam Chomsky is as Jewish as Irving Kristol, and Norman Finkelstein as Jewish as Alan Dershowitz. We are neither angels nor saints. And we are certainly not monolithic, despite perennial efforts to paint anyone critical of various aspects of Israeli policies as “self-hating” Jews.”
Tony Judt
“My own inclination, then, would be to focus elsewhere. If the Jews of Europe and North America took their distance from Israel (as many have begun to do), the assertion that Israel was “their” state would take on an absurd air. Over time, even Washington might come to see the futility of attaching American foreign policy to the delusions of one small Middle Eastern state. This, I believe, is the best thing that could possibly happen to Israel itself. It would be obliged to acknowledge its limits. It would have to make other friends, preferably among its neighbors.”
Henry Siegman, a former national director of the American Jewish Congress and of the Synagogue Council of America
“Israel has crossed the threshold from ‘the only democracy in the Middle East’ to the only apartheid regime in the Western world. The inevitability of such a transformation has been held out not by “Israel bashers” but by the country’s own leaders.”
Uri Avnery
“What will be seared into the consciousness of the world will be the image of Israel as a blood-stained monster, ready at any moment to commit war crimes and not prepared to abide by any moral restraints. This will have severe consequences for our long-term future, our standing in the world, our chance of achieving peace and quiet. In the end, this war is a crime against ourselves too, a crime against the State of Israel.”
Joseph Glatzer
“The point of view I have in regards to Israel/Palestine is based on nothing more than having a conscience and knowing the difference between right and wrong…. Finding out that my Orange County Right-Wing Republican fetishized ideal of Israel wasn’t what I thought it was was truly earth-shattering for me. I couldn’t believe Israel wasn’t actually the defender of democracy in the Middle East as I was raised to believe …White phosphorous melting the faces off children, just because they were guilty of attending a UN school. Civilians waving white flags were shot; the UN warehouse of food aid for the victims was bombed and exploded by Israel…When I hear people attack Palestinians and deny their Nakba, I now take it personally. I feel it in my heart. It’s not just a statistic anymore…”
Rabbi Daniel Landes, Director of the Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies in Jerusalem
“We Religious Zionists Are in Deep Trouble. ‘Krazy Kookniks’ are now the cutting edge or logical extension of normative Religious Zionism, which today is overtly messianic, narrowly nationalistic, and in its Orthodoxy, essentially isolationist……The religious Zionist magic moment in Shabbat services is the prayer for the State of Israel – edging out the attention once given to the iconic Jewish prayer, the Shema – which describes Israel as “the first flowering of our deliverance.” Rather than hope, religious Zionism threatens to become, in the souls and actions of its adherents, a dangerous dogma of a deaf and dumb Impatient Messianism that talks to no one but knows just “what to do” to those who stand in its way, Arab or Jew.”
The Israeli army uses three internationally banned weapons in its military agression against the unarmed civilian population of Palestine.
Israel uses Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME). DIME weapons spread inert metal atoms that penetrate the human body and are difficult to get out of human tissue.
The second internationally banned weapon used by Israel is armor piercing bombs.
The third internationally banned weapon used by Israel is white phosphorous, which mixes with oxygen to form a transparent wax and causes fires and thick, white smoke. When the human body is exposed to white phosphorus, it burns the skin and flesh; only the bones remain.
The use of such banned weapons against humans is a flagrant violation of international law, especially the fourth Geneva convention.
Shulamit Aloni, former Minister in the Israeli government, says that using accusations of anti-semitism is a trick, which Zionists always use.
“Palestinians are fighting for their lives; Israel is fighting for the occupation.
That we notice there’s a way on only when Jews are murdered does not cancel out the fact that Palestinians are being killed all the time.The Palestinians are fighting for their life, in the full sense of the word.
We Israeli Jews are fighting for our privelege as a nation of masters, in the full ugliness of the term. We are doing everything in our power to make their lives unbearable.”
Amira Hass, Oct 07, 2015 – Haaretz
Their Babylonian Talmud is anti-christ and anti-christian.
The Ashkenazi Jewish leaders believe that their Babylonian Talmud supersedes the Bible in authority, and it says blasphemous things such as:
– “Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.” Gittin 57a
– “Jesus’ mother was a whore who played the harlot with carpenters.” Shabbath 104b
– “Christians are allied with hell, and Christianity is worse than incest.” Abodah Zara 17a
– “Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle.” Kerithuth 6b
Since their Babylonian Talmud is clearly anti-Christ and anti-Christian, Christians should not support them.
Their Egyptian Kaballah is based on witchcraft and astrology.
Gershow Scholem (1897-1982), Professor of Kabbalah at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said that the Kabbalah contains a great deal of black magic and sorcery, to invoke the powers of devils to disrupt the natural order.
Since their Egyptian Kaballah is based on witchcraft and astrology, which Elohim forbids, Christians should not support them.
The six-sided star on their flag represents 666 and Satan.
King David never used a star, so that’s just a lie to cover what it really represents.
Solomon fell away from Elohim and he built altars to and worshiped false gods, such as Ashtoreh and Remphran. He used the star in his seal as a symbol of protection.
It is the supreme symbol of satanic tyranny against Elohim and humanity, and has long been used in Egypt and Babylon magic, occultism, witchcraft and the casting of zodiacal horoscopes by astrologers.
The 6 points, 6 triangles, and the 6 sides of the hexagram = 666!
The hexagram is on the flag of Israeli, because the Satan-led, Jesuit-controlled, Rothchild family, owns and controls Israel. Read The Star Of David Deception
Since the hexagram on their flag represents 666 and Satan, it identifies Israel’s Ashkenazi Jewish leaders as antichrist, and Christians should not support them.
The Rothchild family finances and controls the state of Israel.
This Hasidic Jew tells you the truth about Zionist “Israel” which was created for the Jesuit Rothchild family.
Israel was created by the Jesuit Rothschilds as a nation-state to hide their money, and an opportunistic group – the Zionists – who would front for them.
The Jesuits use the powerful Israel military to control the Middle East.
The “regathering” of Israelites has already been fulfilled.
The “regathering” that so many teachers attribute to the modern state of Israel, was fulfilled BEFORE Jesus first coming.
Elohim said that the Israelites would be regathered, not just the Jews. The Jews are only 1/12th of the tribes of Israel, which descended from Jacob/Israel.
Jeremiah 31:31 says “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.”
The Jews (tribe of Judah) were released from their Babylonian captivity, and allowed to return to Jerusalem, to rebuild the city and the temple.
People from the other Israelite tribes (tribe of Israel) also returned and lived in Galilee, where Messiah found many of His disciples.
Messiah confirmed that the house of Israel had been regathered in Matthew 15:24, when He said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
In Hebrews 8:8-10, Paul confirmed that this prophecy had been fulfilled, as the New Covenant Gospel was preached to the House of Israel and the House of Judah, through Jesus and His disciples.
To read more about why there is no need for a regathering in the end times, click on Regathering Of The Jews Deception
Because the regathering of Israelites already happened before Jesus first coming, we should not look for another Elohim-ordained regathering. This confirms that the modern state of Israel is illegitimate, and Christians should not support it.
“Bless Israel, be blessed; curse Israel, be cursed” manipulates God’s Word.
The Word of Elohim says in Genesis 12, “I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you ALL the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
False teachers wrongly insert the name “Israel” (the modern nation of Israel), in place of “you” (Abraham).
It DOES NOT say “Israel”, as there is no Israel. Abraham is NOT a physical Israelite or Jew, as they were descendants of his grandson, Jacob/Israel.
Elohim had just told Abraham to leave Ur and all his comforts, and Elohim was reassuring him that He will protect him, provide for him and bless him.
The name “Israel” represents people who have a spiritual covenant relationship with God by faith, like Abraham.
The angel wrestled with Jacob “spiritually” to help him come to the end of himself, his life of deception, and his living “out of the flesh“; and into a real relationship with Elohim, where he trusted Elohim to live through him.
The word “Israel” in the Bible DOES NOT mean the modern nation of Israel.
Israel represents a people who trust in Elohim by faith, not a place.
The name “Israel” has been hijacked by people who aren’t even descendants of Abraham, so Christians should not support them.
“God’s chosen people” are those who have a Covenant relationship with Him.
“Just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.” Galatians 3:6-9
It can’t be more clear!!! Abraham’s spiritual descendants, those who believe by faith in the atoning work of Yahusha/Jesus, are Elohim’s Chosen People, who have blessed the earth with the Gospel.
Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.
“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”
Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendents ARE NOT the children of Elohim.
“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”
Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of Elohim.
“Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”
Galatians 3:16 tells us that Messiah is the seed of Abraham.
“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”
Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Messiah (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Because Elohims’s promises are to His spiritual descendants, Christians should not support the unbelieving leaders of the state of Israel.
The Jews have been expelled from places 345 times since 100 A.D.
They were kicked out of countries for being deceitful, lying, ritual murder, ritual murder of a child, crucifying a child; killing, stealing and destroying. That is once every 5.56 years. Here is a list with sources.
So what reasons do you have to support the Jews and the state of Israel?
Do they thank Elohim for restoring them after 1,878 years of exile?
Do you hear Israel’s leaders mention the Elohim of the Bible?
Are they bearing fruit for Elohim ?
Is there any evidence to show why Christians should support them?
Friend, you’ve read all of the evidence.
It’s time to acknowledge that Christians have been greatly deceived by Satan.
Until you see this truth, you won’t be able to discern end times prophecy, because most of the false teaching are based around the creation of the modern state of Israel.
Why has the modern state of Israel been created and filled with Fake Jews?
The Jesuits of the Roman Catholic Church needed to take control of the Middle East, in order to be able to push Islamic countries into the New World Order.
If you haven’t read our study that identifies the Roman Catholic Church as the beast of Daniel and Revelation, click on The Beasts of Daniel and Revelation
They will use Jerusalem as their New World Order headquarters, as it’s the central place that ties in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
After wars between America, Israel and Islamic countries; they will unite all religions into one in the name of peace, which will have the effect of making Christians (spiritual Israel) the enemies of the world.
Their modern state of Israel serves to deceive Christians about end-times prophecy, so they can’t discern the truth.
It has caused Christians in America to support Israel, regardless of their actions. We give them 3 Billion Dollars a year, provide military support and veto any action against them by other countries.
Satan used the Rothchild family to create the Zionist state of Israel.
The Ashkenazi Jew (Jesuit-controlled) Rothchild family coat of arms includes the hexagram, as they practice Babylonian Judaism and worship Satan.
They are ultra-wealthy because their banking schemes have stolen the wealth of the nations, including the U.S. via the Federal Reserve Bank (which they share private ownership).
They bought a great deal of property from the Turks and Arabs, to create early Jewish settlements in Palestine.
Then the Jesuits instigated WWII and the killing of Jews, to help justify the creation of the state of Israel.
To get support from the U.S., they bribed President Truman with 2 Million Dollars to approve the U.N. resolution.
They are the reason for the hexagram six-sided star on Israel’s flag, as it represents 666 and Satan. The Menorah has always represents the Jews of the Bible.
The Israeli Supreme Court building was funded and designed by the Rothchild family, and it features many Satanic, Illuminati symbols.
The most prominent symbol is the green pyramid with the all seeing eye on it, which represents Satan, the god of this earth. There is also many Illuminati symbols in the building, and an obelisk, which represents Sun worship, which ultimately is Satan worship.
The Israeli military attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967, killing 34 and injuring 174.
On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel, killing 34 Americans and wounding another 174.
The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died. For more information: http://www.gtr5.com/
The Israeli MOSSAD was complicit in the destruction of the towers on 9/11.
The false narrative about 19 hapless Muslims with box cutters causing three steel-framed buildings to fall on 9/11 is a lie. Steel-framed buildings do not collapse on top of themselves, at near free-fall speeds, and end up as a pulverized dust pile. They obviously were destroyed with explosives. Building 7 was not hit by a plane, yet it was caused to collapse six hours after the planes hit.
The link is to a study that gives many references about people who were involved that are Jewish. They are there because you need to see that the Israeli Mossad (and CIA) was behind the False Flag event.
http://thetruthfulone.com/911-truth/
Here is what Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu really thinks about Americans.
Don’t you see the cruel irony my friend?
They say that they are Elohim’s chosen people, but their leaders represent Satan.
They cry out about anti-Semitism, but they aren’t even Semites.
They get Zionist Christians to support them, but they hate Jesus and Christians.
And they are controlled by the Beast of the Roman Catholic Church, which will seek to kill all Christians in their New World Order.
Satan has deceived Christians about who is ‘Israel’ and who is a ‘Jew’, so that Christian Zionists are unknowingly playing a major role in supporting his diabolical plan for a one-world system, which he will control.
He’s DECEIVED ALMOST THE WHOLE WORLD into believing that they’re the “chosen people” returning to their “promised land”. But they are IMPOSTORS!
Anyone who believes that the ZIONIST STATE of Israel set up by this One World Conspiracy is the same as the NATION of ISRAEL referred to in Scriptures, IS MISERABLY DECEIVED the way Christ warned us in Scriptures that “MANY would be”.
ANY Christian preacher who actively teaches this FALSE DOCTRINE is also either miserably deceived or he is outright LYING, and may Elohim have mercy on him.
Elohim’s Word prophesied that in the last days imposters would erroneously and falsely claim to be “Jews.” These imposters would persecute their enemies, especially the Christians.
But Elohim will have his revenge: “Behold, I will make them of the Synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; Behold I will make them to come and worship at thy feet and know that I have loved thee.” (Revelation 3:9)
Boycott products from Israel
The Jesuit-Rothchild District of Columbia gives the Zionist state of Israel billions of Dollars every year, to fund their military system; and sticks Americans with the bill.
There’s not much we can do about that, but we can refuse to buy Israeli-made products, which can be identified by the number 729 at the start of the bar code.
Related Study: Jews Who Are Not Really Jews
I’m sure this page is hard to understand for many of you out there, and I’m sure many of you have read the bible, BUT DID YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ? In Revelation 11:8 Jerusalem is called spiritual Sodom and Egypt! The land where our Lord was crucified! HELLO! ANYBODY HOME? The TRUTH, is that Israel is the hidden hand behind American politics and banking, plus they own all of Hollywood and every television station and news channel! They have been telling you how you should think every since you started watching that little black box. That’s why it is hard for many of you to break the cycle and realize that you’ve been being fed smut for years. Fox news, CNN, and presidential debates are nothing but Shakespearean theatre making you think you have a choice. The only true choice you can make in this life is Jesus Christ! I hope that He takes the blinders off of your eyes and let’s you understand the bible verses you read. It’s all in there. I suggest reading “conspiracy of the 6 pointed star” by Texe Marrs, “Final Judgement” by Michael Collins Piper and “Solving The Mystery Of Babylon The Great” by Edward Hendrie.
The only thing that I would add Gabriel is that the Zionist Jews and the state of Israel, are controlled by the Jesuits of Rome, who are the earth beast of Revelation 13. The Jesuits control the Rothchild’s, who control Israel and the Zionist Jews who have stolen our wealth, who control our media, who control Hollywood, etc. So yes, the Zionists are guilty, but they are just a front for the Jesuits of Rome, so that if/when the world finds out about all of their deceptions, they will blame the Jews.
I think you should read the above mentioned book by Edward Hendrie. I do know the Jesuits are part of it, but from what I understand, crypto – jews actually infiltrated the order of the jesuits and catholic curch. The solution to the mystery of Babylon the great is that the Babylonian religion flowed through the jews to the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman church was established by crypto – jews as a false “Christian” front for a judaic/Babylonian religion. An occult society of jews replaced gods commands with Babylonian dogma. Jesus said to them, “year are of your FATHER THE DEVIL, and the lust of your father year will do!” John 8:44. This corrupted religion, known as judaism, was later cloaked in Christian language, while keeping it’s Babylonian substance, and became an apostate church. Paul warned that after he departed grievous wolves would enter in among the disciples and that “of your own selves shall MEN arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” Acts 20:29-31. Furthermore, God prophesied that “some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to SEDUCING SPIRITS, and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.” 1 TIM 4:1. the attempt to corrupt the gospel to comport with this judaic/Babylonian MYSTICISM was immediately detected by the early Christian disciples. “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 1:4. The devil’s disciples succeeded in perverting the gospel and creating a Judaic/Babylonian form of ersatz “christianity,” which grew to become the Roman Catholic Church. That church has a facade of piety, but it IS THE HABITATION OF DEVILS, and it’s doom is sealed by God.
Thanks Gabriel! I have the book “Solving The Mystery Of Babylon The Great” by Edward Hendrie. And I don’t disagree that cyrpto-Jews may be a part of the Jesuits and Catholic Church. I simply look to Scripture which points to Rome, to the Popes and the Jesuit Generals.
Daniel, Paul and John all described the same thing, the antichrist Popes of Rome rising to power after the Roman Empire collapsed.
After the internal collapse from civil war, famine and pestilence; and after the Roman Empire was attacked by many armies; the last Western Roman Emperor was removed in 476 A.D.
The 10 horns of the 4th beast of Daniel 7 foretold that the Roman Empire would split into 10 civil kingdoms, and that a Little Horn, the Popes of Rome, would rise up among them, and pluck out three of the kingdoms that did not bow down to his authority.
The ‘restrainer’ of 2 Thessalonians 2 described the Roman Emperors who restrained the Popes from taking power.
But shortly after the last Roman Emperor was removed in 476 A.D., the Son of Perdition, the Popes of Rome, rose to power in 538 A.D. And they soon proclaimed to be God.
The sea beast of Revelation 13 rose up out of the people groups, out of the 10 civil kingdoms that were created when the Roman Empire collapsed.
The Popes were given civil and ecclesiastic power as a church/state, and they took the Emperor’s title of Pontifex Maximus, and the ‘deadly head wound’ was healed.
Revelation 17 tells us that five forms of Roman government, referred to as kings, had passed when John wrote Revelation.
One was at the time, the Emperors of Rome. And one existed during the ‘short space’ between 476, when the last Roman Emperor was removed, and 538, when the Popes of Rome took power.
So I simply point to Rome, as Daniel told us that the least beast which would exist until Messiah returns, is Rome.
John used the code name of Babylon to point to Rome. http://christianitybeliefs.org/revelation-timeline-decoded/babylon-is-the-code-name-of-rome/
All Roads Lead To Rome!
Thank you David, I had a question as to where I should post my comment about Caiaphas, but was hoping it would be fine. I have the works of Josephus here at home, so will investigate what he says about witness in the clouds.
The words of our Lord Jesus are irrevocable. I accept them fully just as He said, the question remains – what did He mean? And it is not always apparent. One thing is for sure; Jesus knows exactly what He meant. The fact is that sometimes we don’t always get it right. My prayer for you David is along the lines of Col 1:9- and Eph 1:15-23.
No worries Ian, it just helps visitors who are reading comments, to be able to read the related study on the same page. Thank you for your prayers. I’m teachable, and I’ve taken what commenters have said, researched it and changed my perspective. That said, I’ve done a lot of research, and I’m confident in what I believe.
When I saw how Daniel 9, Daniel 12 and the Matthew 24 are directly related, I understood the fulfillment. The Gospel of Luke filled in a lot of what’s missing in Matthew. Again, what I teach lines up with what Messiah proclaimed, that all those things would be fulfilled in that generation. In Matthew 23 He proclaimed that the righteous blood would be exacted on that generation. There is no guessing what He meant, as we know that much blood was shed on that generation.
One work that really helped me see the fulfillment is “The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation” by Phillip Mauro, who wrote in 1921 to combat the growing Futurism deceptions. Here is a link to the PDF of the study.
http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/The-Seventy-Weeks-and-the-Great-Tribulation2.pdf
One extra comment – Jerusalem is not completely in Jewish hands yet , as seen in current events. Jordan still remains the custodian of the Al Asqa Mosque, which sits above the Temple ruins, where Jews are not allowed to pray, in their holiest site. Jerusalem still remains, therefore, trampled by the gentiles.
Paul, I’ve explained my perspective and I’ve let you express yours. But if you’re going to accuse me of being driven by hate, your comments are no longer welcome here and they will not be posted.
Quite right. I totally agree. The Luke account of the Olivet discourse makes it clear that the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the Return of Jesus are separated by a period of time. Peter goes further with his reference to a day in the eyes of the Lord are as a thousand years, and he would certainly have been present at the Olivet discourse.
Great points that you have made. I completely agree.
Matthew 25, and Revelation 1 shows very clearly that the coming of the Lord will be in judgement of the whole world, and therefore the final Judgement
So does Thessalonians and Peter. Caiphas will certainly see this.
Preterists tend to ignore Zechariah 12 because they wish to see an end of the Jewish people in 70AD, but Zechariah speaks of the return of Jesus and the inhabitants of Jerusalem turning to their Messiah. The implication is that God is not finished with them.
David, in regards to Matthew 24 please note the following:
Jesus speaks of wars and rumours of wars, kingdom against kingdom, of famines, pestilences, earthquakes, in various places. Never has there been such a proliferation of such clamatis and events like thses as in our day and age in all recorded history. To say nothing of the abundance of flase christs, false teachers, false apostles, false prophets, and falsefied Bibles.
It was gruesome to the max in the time of the conquest of Jeruasalem. And it was gruesome in Zedekiah’s day when Babylon ransacked Jerusalem. Mothers eating their own babies in the seige, and all other kinds of atrocities.
There is no dispute about what happened in 70AD. Josephus only writes about past history, he is not prophesying about the future.
Never in the history of the world has the gospel of Jesus Christ been so widely broadcast thorught the world as in our day. It is happening through printed page including Bibles, through social media, and on foot – face to face. Just as the Romans built roads throughtout their empire thus facilitating the gospel being spread (not planned by them), so too in this age as the world gets smaller to use the phrase, the gospel is being spread by most extraordinary means.
Jesus knew that all these things were going to take place; this is why He spoke of them for this generation, not just the generation of His day. There are multiple fulfillments and often on a greater magnitude in later fulfillments.
Jesus tells us that Jerusalem shall be trodden down under foot until the times of the gentiles shall be fulfilled. Luke 21:24.
Jerusalem was trodden under foot unmistakably by the Gentile -Titus, and it did not stop there until 1967 when, like it or not, Israeii soldiers liberated Jersualem in the six day war. No matter what you think of it, or Israel, this was not a fluke, nor was it only an orchestrated work of Elite Masters of the World.
Moshe Dayan, a secular Jew, after the miracle of the war put his note in the Wall and news reporters later had a look to see what he had written to G-d. It was a quote from Psalm 118:23.
From a human perspective Israel should have been wiped off the map. It was outnumbered on three fronts; Russia had supplied the Arab nations with 2 billions dollars of war supplies.
“It was only during the 19 years of illegal Jordanian occupation — from 1948, when Jews were expelled, through 1967 — that Jews were prevented access to their holy city. In an effort to erase evidence of centuries of Jewish presence, all 58 synagogues in the Jordanian controlled sector were destroyed.” http://www.sixdaywar.org/myths-and-facts.asp#US-aid
Like it or not, dismiss it, deny it, it makes no difference, modern facts speak for themselves: -The times of the Gentiles treading down Jerusalem finished in 1967.
Jesus said Jerusalem would be “trodden down UNTIL…”. This plainly means that when that time is finished, that city would be free from continuous Gentile domination. Although a small break will occur when the Peace Treaty is fianlly signed, that treaty will not last, but even then Jews will still be a dominant force in Jerusalem.
While I do not dismiss factual ancient history, nor do I dismiss modern factual history. I believe Jesus is speaking of mutilple time periods.
And so, the world is set to divide Israel once again – this is a fact. God will judge those who do; that is a fact.
Israel is yet to see an unequalled time of Jacob’s trouble. That I believe is a fact.
I’ve address the two most difficult parts of Matthew 24 “The Great Tribulation of Matthew 24” and “Messiah Coming In The Clouds With Power And Great Glory”. The other warnings of wars and rumours of wars, kingdom against kingdom, of famines, pestilences, earthquakes, in various places, are easily explained as Josephus documented that all of those things happened before 70 A.D.
Acts 11:27-9 alludes to the famine in the time of Claudius. Tacitus speaks of signs in the form of “repeated earthquakes,” a shortage of grain resulting in famine (at one point Rome had only 15 days’ worth of food); Josephus reports of famine during the siege of Jerusalem; the earthquake in Philippi (Acts 16); Pompeii suffered quakes as a preliminary to the eruption of Vesuvius; Josephus reports a severe earthquake in Judea, and quakes were reported by secular historians as occurring throughout the Greco-Roman world.
When Stephen was stoned to death, the disciples scattered. The Apostles traveled to many places preaching the Gospel. Reading through Acts and the Epistles, we see how the Gospel spread around the Roman Empire, which is the world of prophecy.
But we need to look behind a key word: world — this time, it isn’t aion, and it also isn’t kosmos, the word which indicates the broadest possible connotations, as we noted earlier — this time, it is oikoumene, a word used to express only the Roman Empire (cf. Acts 11:28, Luke 2:1).
It is significant that this is the only place Matthew uses this word; he has selected it carefully as a geographical delimitation; it is also significant that he has used this word rather than kosmos as he did with reference to the spreading of the Gospel correspondent with the separation of the justified and the wicked. The gospel had to be preached to the Roman Empire as a whole before the end of the age.
You mentioned that Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. If the Jews in Israel are truly the Jews of the Bible, then Jerusalem is not trodden down by the Gentiles any longer, which means that the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. Of course we know that is not true, and if you read this study it proves that the great majority of people called Jews in Israel are not the descendants of Abraham.
Lest you think that these ideas are just my own, I point you to these brilliant theologians, who wrote whole Bible commentaries before all of the deceptions of Futurism crept into the Church.
Albert Barnes’ Notes on the Bible: Coming in the clouds of heaven. See Barnes Mt 24, Mt 25. The meaning of this is, You shall see the sign from heaven which you have so often demanded; even the Messiah returning himself as the sign, with great glory, to destroy your city, and to judge the world.
Adam Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible: Thou hast said – That is, I am the Christ, the promised Messiah, (see on Mt 26:25 (note)); and you and this whole nation shall shortly have the fullest proof of it: for hereafter, in a few years, ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, fully invested with absolute dominion, and coming in the clouds of heaven, to execute judgment upon this wicked race. See Mt 24:30.
John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible: and coming in, the clouds of heaven. So Christ’s coming to take vengeance on the Jewish nation, as it is often called the coming of the son of man, is described in this manner, Mt 24:27. Though this may also be understood of Christ’s second coming to judgment, at the last day; when as he went up to heaven in a cloud, he will return, and come also in the clouds of heaven; see Ac 1:9 Re 1:7, when he will be seen by the eyes of all, good and bad; and when this sanhedrim, before whom he now was, will see him also, and confess that he is Lord and Christ, and the Son of God.
Sorry, that is stretching the text way beyond anything it allows. Awaking from the dust is a clear reference to a literal resurrection and cannot be seen in any other light. Again, this is not the only place in the Bible where it is mentioned in this regard. If it referred to a spiritual awakening , it would hardly have included those who would wake to everlasting punishment.
I agree Paul.
Jesus and Paul make clear references to those who ‘sleep’ (died) and their being raised from death. It is common expression in the N.T. (KJV and others) and it is an influence from the Hebrew language, of which both Jesus and Paul were familiar.
Paul actually says that we (believers) shall not all sleep (die), but we shall all be changed 1 Cor 15:51.
Hi Ian
Those are important points that you have made, and also bring to mind Paul’s letter to the Corinthians when warning against taking communion without discernment and reverence. Some fell sick, and others “fell asleep “
Hello Paul
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Ian
Daniel 12:2 ” Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting shame and contempt” It could not be clearer.There is absolutely nothing in Matthew 26 that implies that the Lord’s coming in the clouds of Heaven had anything to do with the sacking of Jerusalem. It refers to His exaltation at God;s right hand after the resurrection and to His subsequent 2nd Coming. One must be very careful not to read INTO the text, and not letting the text speak for itself. It is also important not to ignore other texts on the same subject that elucidate this.
Daniel 12:2 “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
This isn’t about Jesus second coming, rather it’s about waking up people who are spiritually dead.
Referring to the beginning of Jesus ministry, Matthew 4:14-16 says, “The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light, And upon those who sat in the region and shadow of death, Light has dawned. From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Jesus said, “The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and they that hear shall live.” John 5:25
Paul affirmed this, “Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.” Ephesians 5:14
Jesus, the Light of the World, shined on them during His 3.5 year ministry, which occurred during the 70th week of Daniel. Some accepted Him as their Messiah and were saved to everlasting life; some rejected Him and were condemned.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:18
When Paul preached the gospel to the Jews in Antioch, they rejected his message.
Paul responded with “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.” Acts 13:46
This fulfills Jesus parable of the Wedding Feast, that when the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah and they persecuted and killed His servants, He responded with,
“But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.”
“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’”
Messiah clearly stated that the High Priest would see Him come on the clouds. My explanation accounts for that, yours makes him a liar.
Additional point
Daniel 12 does not point to 70 AD, a fact which is immediately apparent when it speaks of the resurrection and the final judgement. Matthew 24, as I pointed out previously addresses two questions, one touching on the destruction of the Temple as an immediate event, and the 2nd Coming of the Lord Jesus in the future
You obviously didn’t read the Daniel 12 study, because it proves the fulfillment of the 1,290 days and 1,335 days, from 66-70 A.D. Daniel 12 does not mention the Resurrection or judgment, so not sure what you’re referring to…
As for the Lord coming in great power and glory, that was not talking about His second coming. It was about Him coming on the clouds to cause the Roman army to desolate the Jews and destroy the temple, just like Daniel 9 foretold.
Look at Matthew 26:63-64, when Messiah told the High Priest that he would see Him come in the clouds of heaven.
“And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
He was telling the High Priest that though I look powerless now, you will see me come in great power and glory when the temple and city and Jews would be destroyed, because he rejected Him as Messiah and delivered Him up to be killed. To say that this was not fulfilled is to call Messiah a liar.
Here’s the study should you choose to pursue truth http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/matthew-24-jesus-coming-in-the-clouds-with-power-and-great-glory/
David, are you absolutely certain that Caiaphas was alive at the time of Jerusalem’s seige and conquest? -The time when you say was the fulfillment of Matt 26:63-64?
His time in office was terminated by the Romans in AD36 or AD37 according to sources. The year given for his death is 36 AD. If this is true he was not alive at the conquest of Jerusalem.
Is there any written or otherwise evidence that anyone or even the Christians saw Jesus coming in the clouds of Heaven at the time of the Roman conquest of Jerusalem?
If you believe this to be so, just say that you believe it. But belief is not scientific evidence, it is faith based evidence. Then you can only say on the basis that you believe any one who denies what you say is a liar. This position can’t be verified objectively.
David, how can you be absolutely certain that Jesus was NOT referring to Caiaphas being in Hell and seeing the coming of the Son of Man at the close of the age?
Once aqain it is because you believe such and such to be the case, therefore it is true.
Biblical prophecy as I have mentioned on other occasions can have mulitple fulfillments. And while many of the things that Jesus details in His late discourses were fulfilled in His generation, various details were for later times.
One example of multiple fulfillments is concerning ‘antichrist’ prophecies.
And John in his letter makes this abundantly plain.
And history records prove this. Any one who denies the Son of God as Scripture reveals Him, is an antichrist. The world is about to see the the grand daddy of them all.
Ian, you are commenting on the “Christians Should Not Support Israel”. In the future please comment on the appropriate page, in this case http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/matthew-24-jesus-coming-in-the-clouds-with-power-and-great-glory/
I accept your point about Caiaphas and his death. Messiah may have been referring to the fact that He would shortly be resurrected and ascend to heaven. No doubt the High Priest in 70 A.D. did indeed witness these things.
If you read the study you see the witness of Josephus about he and others witnessed in the clouds.
I’ll take Messiah at His word when He said “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” Just because we don’t understand every detail of the fulfillment does not put aside His clear words.
Yes, I misread your comments on Revelation. Apologies.
Romans 9 , can only be taken in the context of the whole of Romans. As Paul clearly draws a distinction between ethnic Jews and ethnic gentiles in Romans 11, it is unlikely that he viewed this differently in Romans 9. He is obviously saying that it is not enough for a Jew to be circumcised outwardly. He must be circumcised inwardly.Yes, Galatians speaks of the children of the promise which applies to both Jews and Gentiles, in the Messiah. It in no way negates God’s promise to the nation of Israel. I notice you ignore the texts I gave you. If you read them altogether, scripture will interpret itself.
If Paul were speaking of a spiritual Israel in Romans 11, he would not have mentioned his tribe. He is saying that the fact that he and other Jews are believers ( as most early Christians were Jews, not gentiles ) is proof that God has not done away with His people. Nothing could be clearer. Romans 11 also deals with a future time when Jews would turn as a nation to their Lord. ( If their falling away means riches to the gentiles what would their return be but life from the dead ) This is entirely keeping with the prophecies in Zechariah. It will be the Jewish inhabitants of Jerusalem , who, will ” look on the One they have pierced, and mourn Him like a long lost son ” The Spirit of supplication here is one of repentance. This did not happen in 70 AD. The Lord Jesus makes this clear in Luke 21 where He speaks of a time period until their return. ( ” Jerusalem will be trampled by the gentiles UNTIL ( key word ) the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. 1 Peter also makes clear that the end time events take place far in the future, and cannot be measured. As to Revelation speaking of 70 AD, this is hardly possible, as it was written in 95 AD ( although Preterists insist otherwise. ) The confusion comes from the fact that our Lord was answering two questions in Matt24 and Luke 21 , not one.
Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God. “For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”
Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ. “Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”
Paul was saying that though I am a physical Israelite, a true Israelite is one who believes in the atoning work of Messiah, thus they are the seed of promise.
I did not say that Revelation spoke of 70 A.D. Revelation is the historical battle of the Church of Messiah against Satan and his Roman beast kingdom. The Church is made up of Jews and Gentiles, all of which make up true Israel.
Many prophecies such as Daniel 9, Matthew 24 and Daniel 12, point to 70 A.D. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/daniel-12-prophecy-deception/
And has God cast away His people? God forbid! For I too am an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew” Romans 11 Therefore, Paul is referring to physical Israel as he refers to his tribe..Your comment that God has done away with natural Israel is therefore contrary to Scripture.
The whole book should be read in context, and in the context of the entire scriptures. Then the book of revelation will make sense.
Where does this study say “God has done away with natural Israel“? It proclaims that Israel is made up of natural Jews, and Gentiles who have been grafted in. Both Jew and Gentile are made one in Messiah.
As for that applying to Revelation, I do not understand. Revelation is about the historical battle of the Satan-empowered Roman beast against Messiah and His Church. Israel is not a nation in the Middle East, it is the body of Messiah. His Church is made up of Jews and Gentiles.
Everything that was promised to Abraham and his descendants is offered to them in the New Covenant.
A remnant has always believed by faith and were saved. The rest tried to be saved by the law and they were lost. That’s true of the Israelites, the Jews, and Gentiles today.
The promises that were made to Abraham are ultimately to those who believe by faith, not his physical descendants.
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Daniel, etc. all believed that the Messiah would come and atone for their sins. We look back on that event.
Why do Christians focus on Jews in Israel, when the Word of God says that Jesus made both – Jews and gentiles, one church?
Ephesians 2:14-22 “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both (Jew and Gentile) one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised.
“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”
Romans 9:6-8 says Abraham’s fleshly descendants ARE NOT the children of God.
“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”
Galatians 3:7 tells us that ONLY those who are of faith are the children of God.
“Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.”
Galatians 3:16 tells us that the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.
“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “and to your Seed,” who is Christ.”
Galatians 3:28-29 tells us that followers of Christ (Jew and Gentile) are Abraham’s seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Paul is clearly telling us that true Israel, true Jews, believe by faith, and so inherit the promises made to father Abraham.
“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9
Everyone who believes in Christ by faith, are the Chosen People of God. They will inherit Holy Jerusalem when Christ returns.
The promise is yet to be fulfilled. It has not been fulfilled by Zionist Israel, which was created by the enemy to deceive the world.
The devil hates Jews, children of Jacob today no less than he did in ancient times. There is an evil spirit or spirits working in Islam to destroy every last Jew off the face of the earth by driving them out of the land if Israel into the sea, or blasting them off the face of the map, is evidence to me that there are a significant number of Jews living in present Israel. This hatred would not be so sustained if it were not satanically inspired, and not a reality, regardless of percentage.
Satan has always wanted to destroy God’s covenant people. He tried to destroy the human race in Naoh’s day; to destroy Abraham’s great grand children in Egypt; to destroy the Davidic line especially in Solomon’s reign; to destroy Jesus ben David in Judea when just a child; to destroy Jesus the bringer in of a better covenant in Pilate’s day.
And Satan has not stopped since.
There is so much hatred, and denial expressed in many ways against both true Christians and those of Jewsih stock. So much disinformation. So many opinions. So much stuff.
The bottom line is that God knows who are those who have Jewish blood in them, just as He knows those who are His in Christ Jesus.
The land promised to Abraham Isaac and Jacob has not changed in its geography, and God has used wicked men to bring about some of His purposes concerning the decendants of Jacob, one being to bring many of them back into His land. God used wicked men to kill Jesus so that the new covenant would come into effect. Why can’t God use wicked men to return many Jews back to their land even though officially they still reject Yeshua?
How ever there are an estimated 10-15,000 Messianic Jews living in Israel, and if for no other reason, that tract of land called IsrAEL, is legitimately their’s by virtue of the fact that these Messianic Jews have had a new covenant written on their hearts, because of the blood of the Lamb of God.
If God could promise Abraham His friend that He would spare Sodom if He had found 10 righteous persons in it, in spite of all their vile and rampant wickedness, why could God not set up a new Statehood for His friend Abraham for these 10,000 plus Jews who believe in Yeshua?
Just because a Jew does not have 100% Jewsih DNA in his blood is not proof that he is not Jewish. This lack of 100% DNA pure blood is not just a Jewish thing, but is an inter-national reality.
Our God is an awesome God. Don’t you just love Him!
Amen Ian
Hi Ian
You are quite right. One thing all down the ages has been true – the hatred Satan has for the Jewish people. We see it in the Book of Revelation.
I also quite agree that just because a Jew does not have 100% Jewish DNA in him, does not mean he is not Jewish. After all, neither did David with a Moabite grandmother, or the children of Joseph and Moses. I agree also with you that the the Messianic Jews under the new and better Covenant have an unquestionable right to the land of Israel.
The wonderful thing about DNA studies is that it shows that all people are eventually of one blood as the Bible says, and also that no-one has racially pure DNA. It is just useful to fill in missing pages of History, and shows the Bible to be true ( not that we need it for this! )
Amen brother to all you have said ( if this gets to you )
Ian, will you PLEASE stop referring to “JEWS” as being the entirety of the children of Jacob? Jacob had TWELVE sons, and only ONEof these 12 sons was “Judah”, from where the word “Jew” has its foundation. Thats the same thing as calling all American citizens “Texans”, when there are other Americans from 49 different states…a MAJORITY of which are NOT TEXANS. Stop believing all the lies that are fed to you from multiple sources, and dig into the history of the bible regarding the complete and total differences between the House of Israel, and the House of Judah. And remeber that TWICE in Revelation, we are WARNED about “those who SAY THEY ARE JEWS, BUT ARE NOT”. Believe the WHOLE book, do your own research and study, and just…for the love of God…please stop talking about things you have no information about.
The 12 tribes of Jacob were separate with their own portion of land. Judah ( from whence the word Jew is derived ) was the ruling tribe .( The sceptre did not part from Judah)and our Lord was of Judah. The 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom under Saul,after the Battle of Gilboa, were united under one King, King David of Judah, who became king of Israel. The Assyrian and Babylonian captivity resulted in the dispersal of the 10 tribes. Judah alone remained intact ( with Benjamin incorporated into it ).That is why, in Ezra, Jews are mentioned for the first time as opposed to Israel. It is quite clear that the other tribes trickled back into Judah and were not lost, as evidenced by the mention of the tribe of Asher and Benjamin in the New Testament ( both not of Judah ). Yet by this time, the word Jew and Israelite were mentioned interchangeably ( St. Paul especially so,) because by then Judah incorporated all the other tribes.
Debi, I refer to Jews in a broad sense for this reason, perhaps you ahve forgotten the following Scriptures:
Each of the four gospels record Pilate asking Jesus, Are you the King of the Jews?
Did Jesus deny this plain question?
Did He say, NO! I am not King of the Jews but the King of Israel, of the Hebrews….don’t call Me that!
No. No. No.
Jesus said – You say that I am.
This was one way Jesus accepted the question as affirmative. Pilate may well have asked the question rhetorically. We don’t know. Either way, Jesus affrimed it as the case.
In John’s account Jesus replies to Pilate in this way: Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
A more fuller answer, plainly showing that Jesus was quite okay with that kingship tag.
Pilate made sure that all those in Jerusalem would not forget that Jesus was indeed King of the Jews. Pilate knew that Jesus was delivered up for envy, and this was his way of shaming them, and perhaps getting back at them, especially as he wanted to let Jesus go with just a flogging.
The Jewish religious elite didn’t want that appellation over Jesus head.
Although Pilate had asked Jesus what is truth. This was one truth that Pilate was going to enforce.
Jesus accepted this appellation as fact, that He was King of the Jews.
Add to that recorded fact Debi, the one found in Matthew 2:2.
The wise men from the East came to Jerusalem asking where is He that is Born King of the Jews, for we have seen His star in the east and have come to worship Him.
Next we have Nicodemus who comes to Jesus at night to discuss some matters. John the apostle calls Nicodemus a ruler of the Jews. John spoke the truth. Jesus said to him, Are you a ruler (instructor) in Israel and you do not know these things?
Nicodemus was an Israelite and Jew who was ruling over Israel over the Jews. Jesus underscored the fact.
Jesus told Pilate: “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
Once again Jesus acknowledged that the term ‘Jews’ was a legitimate term for Hebrews, the sons of Jacob, who were alive in His day in Eretz Israel.
John uses the word ‘Jews’ 68 times (KJV, Strong’s) in his account. John is speaking about the Jews who lived in Israel.
Luke uses the word ‘Jews’ 71 times in the Book of Acts. Luke is primarily speaking of Jews across the region including those in Eretz Israel.
And you say Debi, that ‘Jews’ is not a legitmate term for Israelites of the house of Jacob?
Paul descirbes himself as a Hebrew of the Hebrews, of the tribe of Benjamin. Paul tells the chief captain that he is a “Jew”, Acts 21:39. Then when he addresses the crowd he says much the same thing, Acts 22:. Paul’s testimony is true.
Jews are Hebrews, Jesus was a Hebrew and a Jew. He was King of the Jews, and still is actually. They will worship Him as such one day soon, aftyer they go through the time of Jacob’s trouble.
Nathaniel when he first sees Jesus, says to Jesus “Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel” – John 1:49 Nathaniel was an Israelite, a Jew, a Hebrew. of the house of Jacob, and jesus was his King.
According to Scripture we have every right to use the term Jew for Hebrews, for Jacob’s sons, or even for those who have become Jews, just
like any goyim – gentile who wanted to become an Israelite and keep God’s Law. They were adopted into the house of Jacob.
As for “Jews who say they are Jews and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan” Jesus is dealing In Rev 2 and 3 with spiritual issues, not local temporal, or nationalistic matters.
The fact that He uses Satan’s name is indicative of spiritual issues.
Be ready!
Peace be within your walls oh Jerusalem…when you turn to Messiah – Emmanuel. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.