The Holy Trinity Deception

This Falling Away of 2 Thessalonians 2 discusses the relationship of the Father, the Son and the Spirit.

Let me start this study by asking; if the concept of the Holy Trinity, a three equal-part godhead, is not true; does it change anything in regard to the Father, Son and Spirit all being active in our redemption?

No, it doesn’t. In this study we’re going to look at Scriptures which define the Father, Son and Spirit relationship; so please pray for the Spirit to guide you to a clear understanding.

People have sought to declare a particular stance on this relationship, but we have to keep in mind that the ‘falling away’ of 2 Thessalonians 2 that the Apostle Paul warned about, happened in the first few centuries; as Satan was seeking to corrupt Scriptural truth.

Many of the ‘councils’ were from Roman Christians, such as Emperor Constantine, who preceded the rise of the antichrist Popes to power. Emperor Constantine was arguably the first Pope of the Roman Church, and his influence led to the concept of the trinity.

I recommend using the green Print/PDF button on the bottom of the study, to print it out in an easy to read format; as you need to read all of the verses, not just glance through them.

Read all of the verses and simply ask, what are they telling you?

Doesn’t it seem odd and inconsistent, that the Old Testament is monotheistic, where the focus is on the Father, who alone is Elohim; who proclaims “Though shall not have any gods before me”…

“And let them know that You, Whose Name is יהוה, (Yahuah) You alone are the Most High over all the earth.” Psalm 83:18

And then the New Testament has people worshiping Messiah as Elohim?

What if the enemy has caused us to misunderstand what Scripture is proclaiming, that the Father is Elohim the Most High, who is worthy of our worship; and that though the Son is divine, He is not equal to His Father and is subservient to Him?

What if the enemy has caused believers to focus primarily on worshiping the Son instead of the Father?

Messiah Himself pointed to his Father as the one you should pray to and worship.

I know, it all sounds like heresy if you’ve been raised to believe in the Holy Trinity of three equal-parts of the Godhead; but I don’t want to trust in man-made beliefs, I want to rely on what Scripture proclaims.

This study affirms that Messiah is divine, and worthy of our admiration, as He came in the flesh to ratify the everlasting covenant with His blood; and He is fulfilling His Father’s seven Holy Feast Days to redeem the set-apart saints.

The Father, His Spirit and His Son, all play a role in our redemption; but Scripture tells a different story than what we’ve been taught by most Pastors; which is that those three parts are all equal in power as a triune godhead.

Pray to the Spirit for guidance, and ask yourself, “what are the verses telling you?”

Note: this study uses the Father and Son’s personal covenant names, Yahuah and Yahusha, which were removed from the King James and other Bible translations.

Mark 12:29 gives us example of how the King James muddies the waters with the titles of God and Lord, “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:”

The ISR 98 clearly shows that Yahusha Messiah is proclaiming that Yahuah, the Father, is Elohim.  And יהושע Yahusha answered him, “The first of all the commands is, ‘Hear, O Israel, יהוה Yahuah our Elohim, יהוה Yahuah is one.”

Using the proper names helps clarify their roles and relationship; whereas the titles of God and Lord cause confusion. Read The Names Of The Father And The Son

One of the primary verses that people cite to justify the trinity is 1 John 5:7-8. 

In the King James it reads:

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one

Here’s the problem. The section, referred to as “Comma Johannuem”, does not exist in the oldest Greek manuscripts of Aleph, A, B, and the Vulgate.  Comma Johannuem refers to this short clause in 1 John 5:7-8 in the Latin Vulgate (Catholic version).  It was then included in the Textus Receptus.

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

The more literal translation, the ISR 98, does not include the part of the text which is not found in all of the manuscripts.  It leaves out “the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” part, because it is not in the manuscripts.

Verse 7 “Because there are three who bear witness:” Verse 8 “the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement.”

People also cite Matthew 28:19, which mentions all three.

Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, ISR 98

One verse mentioning all three does not declare that they are equal parts of the godhead,  it just means that all three play a role in our redemption.

The Father calls us, we are saved through His Son, and we are given the Father’s Spirit.

These verses declare to only baptize in Messiah’s name:

And Kĕpha (Peter) said to them, “Repent, and let each one of you be immersed in the Name of Yahusha Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit.” Acts 2:38

for He had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been immersed in the Name of the Master Yahusha.” Acts 8:16

And he commanded them to be immersed in the Name of Yahusha Messiah. Then they asked him to remain a few days.” Act 10:48

And Sha’ul (Paul) said, “Yoḥanan indeed immersed with an immersion of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe in the One who is coming after him, that is, in Messiah Yahusha.  And when they heard this, they were immersed in the Name of the Master Yahusha.” Act 19:4-5

Here’s some key verses which clearly proclaim that the Father is Elohim, not the Son.

John 17:3 declares that the Father is the only true Elohim.

And this is everlasting life, that they should know You (the Father), the only true Elohim, and Yahusha Messiah whom You have sent.”

1 Timothy 2:5 clearly declares that there is one Elohim, the Father; and one Mediator between Him and men.  That makes no sense if Messiah is a separate Elohim being or if He is the same Elohim as the Father.

For there is one Elohim, and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah Yahusha,”

In Revelation 3:12, Messiah calls His Father His Elohim four times.

“He who overcomes, I shall make him a supporting post in the Dwelling Place of My Elohim, and he shall by no means go out. And I shall write on him the Name of My Elohim and the name of the city of My Elohim, the renewed Yerushalayim, which comes down out of the heaven from My Elohim, and My renewed Name.”

Are those verses opening your eyes, to see that maybe we’ve been misled about the relationship of the Father, Son and Spirit?

Many more verses are provided on this study, but first let’s note what Arius (250 CE – 336 CE), who received his religious training at Antioch, the first location of the early assembly, had to say about the matter.   Unlike Alexandria, which was dominated by the Greek mind, Antioch maintained a Hebraic view, including a strict monotheistic interpretation of Scripture.

At the Council of Nicea, Arius insisted that Messiah had not existed from all eternity but had a beginning by the creative act of the Father prior to time. He believed that the Son was of a different (heteros) essence or substance than the Father. Because of the virtue of His life and His obedience to His Father’s will, Messiah was to be considered divine. But Arius believed that Messiah was a being, created out of nothing, subordinate to the Father and of a different essence from the Father. He was not coequal, coeternal or consubstantial with the Father. To Arius He was divine but not deity.

Before you click away, thinking that is heresy, consider that with the perspective of Arius in mind, the narrative of Scripture becomes congruent.

Then all of the Bible is monotheistic, as there is only one Elohim, the Father; so the Old Testament and New Testament are congruent and blend together.

Elohim did not became a man who died, but rather His divine son represented Him.

Verses that proclaim that Messiah is the Father’s only begotten Son make sense.

Messiah’s proclamation that His Father is greater than Him, makes sense.

They are One in mind and purpose, yet they are separate beings.

Messiah is the exact representation of His Father, so in effect if you’ve seen the Son, you’ve seen the Father.

Messiah being our Intercessor to the Father makes sense, as how could He intercede to Himself as a triune godhead?

Verses which say to pray to the Father in Messiah’s name, make sense.

The conversations between Messiah and His Father seem normal; that Messiah can do nothing without His Father; that His Father is greater than He; instead of appearing that Messiah is talking to Himself as a triune godhead.

The many verses from Paul, Peter, Titus and James, which address both Elohim the Father and Messiah the Son, make sense; as they are addressing them as separate beings.

When one sees that the Father is Elohim, the Most High, who is eternal; who created Messiah His Son; and then they created this universe; then you see their order.  Then all of Scripture makes sense.

Then we see the organizational structure of the kingdom:

“And I wish you to know that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of woman is the man, and the head of Messiah is Elohim. 1 Corinthians 11:3

We are called to be as the Bereans, to read the Scriptures to see if what our Pastors have taught us is correct.

Below I’ve listed verses in focused groups, and I will ask you questions, so that you can discern what you see Scripture proclaiming; and draw your own conclusion.

The entire Old Testament is about esteeming Elohim the Father, obeying the Father, and revering His name.

“Hear, O Yisra’ĕl: יהוה our Elohim, יהוה is one!” Deuteronomy 6:4

“Fear יהוה your Elohim and serve Him, and swear by His Name.” Deuteronomy 6:13

Though the Old Testament points to promised Messiah, it never calls Him Elohim.

Here’s a list of verses which proclaim one Elohim: 

And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true Elohim, and Yahusha Messiah whom You have sent.” John 17:3

And the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one Elohim, and there is no other besides Him.” Mark 12:32. Note that Messiah did not correct him.

For there is one Elohim, and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah Yahusha,”  Timothy 2:5 emphasizes that Messiah is our Mediator to the one Elohim, the Father.

So then, concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is no matter at all in the world, and that there is no other Elohim but one. “For even if there are so-called mighty ones, whether in heaven or on earth – as there are many mighty ones and many masters –  for us there is one Elohim, the Father, from whom all came and for whom we live, and one Master Yahusha Messiah, through whom all came and through whom we live.” 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 It says that there’s one Elohim, the Father; and one Messiah.

Ephesians 4:4-6 again declares that there is One Elohim and one Messiah.  “one body and one Spirit, as you also were called in one expectation of your calling, one Master, one belief, one immersion, one Elohim and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Here’s a list of verses which call Messiah the Son of Elohim:

The Strong’s Greek word 5207 for ‘son’ is uihos.  Apparently a primary word; a son (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figurative kinship: – child, foal, son.

And what is a child?  Is a child not a creation of the Father?  Is a child equal to the Father?

“And Shimʽon Kĕpha answering, said, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living Elohim. And יהושע answering, said to him, “Blessed are you, Shimʽon Bar-Yonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father in the heavens.”” Matthew 16:16-17

 “No one has ever seen Elohim. The only brought-forth Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He did declare.” John 1:18

“For Elohim so loved the world that He gave His only brought-forth Son, so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but possess everlasting life.  He who believes in Him is not judged, but he who does not believe is judged already, because he has not believed in the Name of the only brought-forth Son of Elohim.” John 3:16,18

And we have believed, and we know that You are the Messiah, the Son of the living Elohim.” John 6:69

“And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, it is permitted.” And he answering, said, “I believe that Yahusha Messiah is the Son of Elohim.” Act 8:37

“that Elohim has filled this for us, their children, having raised up Yahusha, as it has also been written in the second Tehillah, ‘You are My Son, today I have brought You forth.’” Acts 13:33

“We announce to you what we have seen and heard, so that you too might have fellowship with us. And truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Yahusha Messiah.” 1 John 1:3

“Whoever confesses that Yahusha is the Son of Elohim, Elohim stays in him, and he in Elohim.” 1 John 4:15

“Favour, compassion, peace be with you from Elohim the Father, and from the Master Yahusha Messiah, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” 2 John 1:3

Here’s a list of verses which show that the Father is the Son’s Elohim:

“…Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My El, my El, why hast thou forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46. Messiah is calling out to His Father, His El.

Yahusha said to her, “Do not hold on to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to my Elohimand your Elohim.’ ” John 20:17

And I wish you to know that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of woman is the man, and the head of Messiah is Elohim.” 1 Corinthians 11:3

Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master Yahusha Messiah, the Father of compassion and Elohim of all comfort,” 2 Corinthians 1:3

The Elohim and Father of our Master Yahusha Messiah, who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying.” 2 Corinthians 11:31

“Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master Yahusha Messiah, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Messiah” Ephesians 1:3

“that the Elohim of our Master Yahusha Messiah, the Father of esteem, would give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him” Ephesians 1:17

one Elohim and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:6

“We give thanks to the Elohim and Father of our Master Yahusha Messiah, praying always for you” Colossians 1:3

“For to which of the messengers did He ever say, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth”? And again, “I shall be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?” Hebrews 1:5

“You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Hebrews 1:9 is proclaiming the Elohim, Messiah’s Elohim, anointed Him.

“Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master Yahusha Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again to a living expectation through the resurrection of Yahusha Messiah from the dead” 1 Peter 1:3

“and has made us sovereigns and priests to His Elohim and Father, to Him be esteem and rule forever and ever. Amĕn.” Revelation 1:6

and from Yahusha Messiah, the trustworthy witness, the first-born from the dead, and the ruler of the sovereigns of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us sovereigns and priests to His Elohim and Father, to Him be esteem and rule forever and ever. Amĕn.” Revelation 1:56

“He who overcomes, I shall make him a supporting post in the Dwelling Place of My Elohim, and he shall by no means go out. And I shall write on him the Name of My Elohim and the name of the city of My Elohim, the renewed Yerushalayim, which comes down out of the heaven from My Elohim, and My renewed Name.” In Revelation 3:12 Messiah proclaimed that His father is His Elohim four times.

Here’s a list of verses that open up New Testament books, which proclaim that the Father is Elohim, and that Messiah is separate.

Note: Messiah was with His Father in heaven when these books were written.  If they were the same triune godhead, why would each author address them separately?

The word ‘and‘ tells us that they are not the same being, but are separate.

“To all who are in Rome, beloved of Elohim, called, set-apart ones: Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah.” Romans 1:7

“Sha’ul, a called emissary of Yahusha Messiah by the desire of Elohim, and brother Sosthenes,”
1 Corinthians 1:1

“Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah. I thank my Elohim always concerning you for the favour of Elohim which was given to you by Messiah Yahusha” 1 Corinthians 1:3-4

“Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah.”
2 Corinthians 1:2

“Sha’ul, an emissary – not from men, nor by a man, but by Yahuaha Messiah and Elohim the Father who raised Him from the dead –  Favour to you and peace from Elohim the Father and our Master Yahusha Messiah” Galatians 1:1,3

“Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah.”
Ephesians 1:2

“Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah.”
Philippians 1:2

“Sha’ul, and Sila, and Timothy, to the assembly of the Thessalonians in Elohim the Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah: Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah.  remembering without ceasing your work of the belief, and the labour of love, and the endurance of the expectation in our Master Yahusha Messiah in the presence of our Elohim and Father,” 1 Thessalonians 1:1,3

“Sha’ul, and Sila, and Timothy, to the assembly of the Thessalonians in Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah: Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah.” 2 Thessalonians 1:1-2

“Sha’ul, an emissary of Yahusha Messiah, according to a command of Elohim our Saviour, and of the Master Yahusha Messiah, our expectation, to Timothy, a genuine child in the belief: Favour, compassion, peace from Elohim our Father and Yahusha Messiah our Master.” 1 Timothy 1:1-2

“Sha’ul, an emissary of Yahusha Messiah by the desire of Elohim, according to the promise of life which is in Messiah Yahusha , to Timothy, my beloved son: Favour, compassion, peace from Elohim the Father, and Messiah Yahusha our Master.” 2 Timothy 1:1-2

“Sha’ul, a servant of Elohim and an emissary of Yahusha Messiah, according to the belief of Elohim’s chosen ones and knowledge of the truth according to reverence, in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,…  to Titus, a genuine child according to our common belief: Favour, compassion, peace from Elohim the Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah our Saviour.” Titus 1:1-2,4

“Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master Yahusha Messiah.” Philemon 1:3

“Yaʽaqoḇ, a servant of Elohim and of the Master Yahusha Messiah, to the twelve tribes who are in the dispersion: Greetings.” James 1:1

“Shimʽon Kĕpha, a servant and emissary of Yahusha Messiah, to those who have obtained a belief as precious as ours by the righteousness of our Elohim and Saviour Yahusha Messiah: Favour and peace be increased to you in the knowledge of Elohim and of Yahusha our Master” 2 Peter 1:1-2

“Favour, compassion, peace be with you from Elohim the Father, and from the Master Yahusha Messiah, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” 2 John 1:3

“Yehudah, a servant of Yahusha Messiah, and brother of Yaʽaqob, to those who are called, set-apart by Elohim the Father, and preserved in Yahusha Messiah.” Jude 1:1

Revelation of Yahusha Messiah, which Elohim gave Him to show His servants what has to take place with speed. And He signified it by sending His messenger to His servant Yohanan. who bore witness to the Word of Elohim, and the witness of Yahusha Messiah – to all he saw.”Revelation 1:1-2

“And the seventh messenger sounded, and there came to be loud voices in the heaven, saying, “The reign of this world has become the reign of our Master, and of His Messiah, and He shall reign forever and ever!” Revelation 11:15

Here’s a list of verses that show that the Father and Son are separate:

“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only,”Matthew 24:36.  If the Father and Son are one being and equal, how is it possible that the Father has information that the son lacks?

No one has ever seen Elohim. The only brought-forth Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He did declare. John 1:18

For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son” John 5:22

For as the Father possesses life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to possess life in Himself, and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Adam.” John 5:26-27

“Elohim is trustworthy, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Yahusha Messiah our Master.” 1 Corinthians 1:9

“The favour of the Master Yahusha Messiah, and the love of Elohim, and the fellowship of the Set-apart Spirit be with all of you. Amĕn.” 2 Corinthians 13:14

“in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know Elohim, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master Yahusha Messiah,” 2 Thessalonians  1:8

“so that the Name of our Master Yahusha Messiah is esteemed in you, and you in Him, according to the favour of our Elohim and the Master Yahusha Messiah.” 2 Thessalonians  1:12

“And our Master Yahusha Messiah Himself, and our Elohim and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting encouragement and good expectation, through favour.” 2 Thessalonians 2:16

“I earnestly witness before Elohim and the Master Yahusha Messiah, and the chosen messengers, that you watch over these matters without prejudice, doing none at all with partiality.” 1 Timothy 5:21

“In the sight of Elohim who gives life to all, and of Messiah Yahusha who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, I charge you:” 1 Timothy 6:13

looking for the blessed expectation and esteemed appearance of THE GREAT Elohim and our Saviour Yahusha Messiah” Titus 2:13

“And the Elohim of peace who brought up our Master Yahusha from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,” Hebrews 13:20

“Because even Messiah once suffered for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to Elohim, having been put to death indeed in flesh but made alive in the Spirit,” 1 Peter 3:18

“And the Elohim of all favour, who called you to His everlasting esteem by Messiah Yahusha, after you have suffered a while, Himself perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.” 1 Peter 5:10

“We announce to you what we have seen and heard, so that you too might have fellowship with us. And truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Yahusha Messiah.” 1 John 1:3

Here’s a list of verses that show that the Son is subservient to His Father:

“And going forward a little, He fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I desire, but as You desire.” Matthew 26:39

Again He went away, a second time, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is impossible for this to pass unless I drink it, let Your desire be done.” Matthew 26:42

“Yahshua saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work” John 4:34

“Then answered Yahshua and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise”  John 5:19

Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.” John 5:30

Because I have come down out of the heaven, not to do My own desire, but the desire of Him who sent Me.” John 6:38

Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from Elohim – He has seen the Father.” John 6:46

So Yahusha Yahusha said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Aḏam, then you shall know that I am He, and that I do none at all of Myself, but as My Father taught Me, these words I speak. And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do what pleases Him.” John 8:28-29

“Yahusha said to them, “If Elohim were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from Elohim, and am here. For I have not come of Myself, but He sent me.” John 8:42

“For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak John 12:49

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming to you.’ If you did love Me, you would have rejoiced that I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.” John 14:28

For, let this mind be in you which was also in Messiah Yahusha, who, being in the form of Elohim, did not regard equality with Elohim a matter to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, and came to be in the likeness of men.” Philippians 2:5-7

Here’s a list of verses that show that Messiah was created:

who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim, the first-born of all creation. Because in Him were created all that are in the heavens and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or rulerships or principalities or authorities – all have been created through Him and for Him. And He is before all, and in Him all hold together.” Colossians 1:15-17

“And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, “Let all the messengers of Elohim do reverence to Him.” Hebrews 1:6

“So also the Messiah did not extol Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth.” Hebrews 5:5

“By this the love of Elohim was manifested in us, that Elohim has sent His only brought-forth Son into the world, in order that we might live through Him.” 1 John 4:9

“And to the messenger of the assembly in Laodikeia write, ‘The Amĕn, the Trustworthy and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of Elohim, says this:” Revelation 3:14

Here’s a list of verses that show that Messiah is our Intercessor to the Father:

If Messiah is the mediator between His Father and man, how is it possible that He is also the Father?

Such reasoning is not only unscriptural, but also illogical.

“Who is he who is condemning? It is Messiah who died, and furthermore is also raised up, who is also at the right hand of Elohim, who also makes intercession for us.” Romans 8:34

For there is one Elohim, and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah Yahusha,”  Timothy 2:5

“Therefore He (Messiah) is also able to save completely those who draw near to Elohim through Him, ever living to make intercession for them.” Hebrews 7:25

My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, Yahusha Messiah, a righteous One.” 1 John 2:1

Here’s a list of verses that show that the Father and Son have separate thrones:

Revelation takes place in the heavens, where the Father and Son are together.  If they are the same being, why are they both addressed and have separate thrones?

“To him who overcomes I shall give to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” Revelation 3:21

Revelation 4:2-9 describes the throne in heaven and the One who sits on it  “And immediately I came to be in the Spirit and saw a throne set in the heaven, and One sat on the throne.” 

Then Revelation 4:10-11 tells you that it is Yahuah, the Heavenly father, “the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and bow before Him who lives “You are worthy, O Yahuah, to receive esteem and respect and power, for You have created all, and because of Your desire they are, and were created.””

“And I looked and saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing, as having been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of Elohim sent out into all the earth.  And He (Messiah, the Lamb) came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him sitting on the throne. Revelation 5:6 7

And every creature which is in the heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying, “To Him sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb, be the blessing and the respect and the esteem and the might, forever and ever!”  Revelation 5:13

and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him sitting on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,” Revelation 6:16

After this I looked and saw a great crowd which no one was able to count, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and palm branches in their hands,” Revelation 7:9

and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Deliverance belongs to our Elohim who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb! And all the messengers stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshipped Elohim, saying, “Amĕn! The blessing, and the esteem, and the wisdom, and the thanksgiving, and the respect, and the power, and the might, to our Elohim forever and ever. Amĕn.” Revelation 7:10-12

“Because of this they are before the throne of Elohim, and serve Him day and night in His Dwelling Place. And He who sits on the throne shall spread His Tent over them.” Revelation 7:15

And another messenger came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer, and much incense was given to him, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the set-apart ones upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the set-apart ones, went up before Elohim from the hand of the messenger.” Revelation 8:3 -4

And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshipped Elohim who sat on the throne, saying, “Amĕn! Halleluyah!” d a voice came from the throne, saying, “Praise our Elohim, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!” Revelation 19:4-5

Here’s a list of verses that show that the Son is at the Father’s right hand:

If you are at the right hand, you are in a place of honor, but you are subservient.

“‘Yahuah said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet” Matthew 22:44

“Then indeed, after the Master had spoken to them, He was received up into the heaven, and sat down at the right hand of Elohim.” Mark 16:19

“From now on the Son of Aḏam shall sit on the right hand of the power of Elohim.” Luke 22:69

“Therefore, having been exalted to the right hand of Elohim, and having received from the Father the promise of the Set-apart Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.” Acts 2:33

Him, a Prince and a Saviour, Elohim has exalted to His right hand, to give repentance to Yisra’ĕl and forgiveness of sins.” Acts 5:31

“But he, being filled with the Set-apart Spirit, looked steadily into the heaven and saw the esteem of Elohim, and Yahusha standing at the right hand of Elohim, and he said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Aḏam standing at the right hand of Elohim!”” Act 7:55-56

“and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who are believing, according to the working of His mighty strength, which He wrought in the Messiah when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenlies,” Ephesians 1:19-20

“If, then, you were raised with Messiah, seek the matters which are above, where Messiah is, seated at the right hand of Elohim.” Colossians 3:1

“who being the brightness of the esteem and the exact representation of His substance, and sustaining all by the word of His power, having made a cleansing of our sins through Himself, sat down at the right hand of the Greatness on high,” Hebrews 1:3

“Now the summary of what we are saying is: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Greatness in the heavens,” Hebrews 8:1

“But He, having offered one slaughter offering for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of Elohim,” Hebrews 10:12

“looking to the Princely Leader and Perfecter of our belief, Yahusha , who for the joy that was set before Him endured the stake, having despised the shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of Elohim.” Hebrews 12:2

“which figure now also saves us: immersion – not a putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward Elohim – through the resurrection of Yahusha Messiah, ho, having gone into heaven, is at the right hand of Elohim, messengers and authorities and powers having been subjected to Him.: 1 Peter 3:21 -22

These Scriptures show that the Father and Son are one in thought and actions.

They are one, in mind and mission.

And Yahusha Yahusha said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim.” Mark 10:18

And Yahusha Yahusha answered him, “The first of all the commands is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Yahuah our Elohim,  Yahuah is one.” Mark 12:29

The following verses are used to say that the Father and the Son are one in thought and action; as a husband and wife are “one”, yet are still separate beings.

Therefore Yahusha responded and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do none at all by Himself, but only that which He sees the Father doing, because whatever He does, the Son also likewise does.“John 5:19

“I and My Father are one.” Again the Yehuḏim picked up stones to stone Him. John 10:30-31

If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” John 10:37-38

“And I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Set-apart Father, guard them in Your Name which You have given Me, so that they might be one, as We are.” John 17:11

The word “one” here is the same word in John 10:30, “I and My Father are one.”

According to Messiah, in the same way we believers are one, the Father and Son are one. Are we all one person? Obviously not! As we find from the Apostle Paul, we are one in conviction and heart: “Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind,” Philippians 2:2.

And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me. “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, “I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.” John 17:20-23

Here’s a list of verses that show that the Father should be worshiped:

“and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me. Then Yahusha said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship Yahuah your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve. Matthew 4:9-10

“Our fathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where one needs to worship. Yahusha said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father. John 4:20-21

“But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him.” John 4:23

“Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24

“saying, “This one does seduce men to worship Elohim contrary to the Torah.” Acts 18:13

“And this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all that has been written in the Torah and in the Prophets,” Act 24:14

“And so the secrets of his heart are revealed. And so, falling down on his face, he shall worship Elohim, declaring that Elohim is truly among you.” 1 Corinthians 14:25

“being filled with the fruit of righteousness, through Yahusha Messiah, to the esteem and praise of Elohim.” Philippians 1:11

“For we are the circumcision, who are serving Elohim in the Spirit, and boasting in Messiah Yahusha , and do not trust in the flesh.” Philippians 3:3

“And my Elohim shall fill all your need according to His riches in esteem by Messiah Yahusha. And to our Elohim and Father be esteem forever and ever. Amĕn.” Philippians 4:19-20

“And the four living creatures, each having six wings, were covered with eyes around and within. And they do not cease, day or night, saying, “Set-apart, set-apart, set-apart, יהוה Ěl Shaddai, who was, and who is, and who is coming!”  Revelation 4:8

“And when the living creatures give esteem and respect and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever,” Revelation 4:9

“the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and bow before Him who lives forever and ever, and they cast their crowns before the throne, saying, “You are worthy, O Yahuah, to receive esteem and respect and power, for You have created all, and because of Your desire they are, and were created.” Revelation 4:10 -11

 “And I saw another messenger flying in mid-heaven, holding the everlasting Good News to announce to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, saying with a loud voice, “Fear Elohim and give esteem to Him, because the hour of His judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea, and fountains of water.” Revelation 14:6-7

“And they sing the song of Mosheh the servant of Elohim, and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and marvellous are Your works, Yahuah Ěl Shaddai! Righteous and true are Your ways, O Sovereign of the set-apart ones! Who shall not fear You, O Yahuah, and esteem Your Name? Because You alone are kind. Because all nations shall come and worship before You, for Your righteousnesses have been made manifest.” Revelation 15:3 -4

“And after this I heard a loud voice of a great crowd in the heaven, saying, “Halleluyah! Deliverance and esteem and respect and power to Yahuah our Elohim! Revelation 19:1

“And I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “See, do not do it! I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers who possess the witness of Yahusha. Worship Elohim! For the witness of Yahusha is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 19:10

“And I, Yoḥanan, saw and heard these matters. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the messenger who showed me these matters. And he said to me, “See, do not! For I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers the prophets, and of those who are guarding the words of this book. Worship Elohim.” Revelation 22:8 -9

Here’s a list of verses that show that Messiah is to be praised, as He is divine:

Verses tell us to revere Messiah and to praise Him for His work of redemption; but the enemy has caused Christians to primarily revere the Son, which steals away from the worship of Elohim.

“Where is He who has been born Sovereign of the Yehuḏim? For we saw His star in the East and have come to do reverence to Him.” Matthew 2:2

“but grow in the favour and knowledge of our Master and Saviour Yahusha Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.” 2 Peter 3:18

“Elohim, having of old spoken in many portions and many ways to the fathers by the prophets,” has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through whom also He made the ages,  who being the brightness of the esteem and the exact representation of His substance, and sustaining all by the word of His power, having made a cleansing of our sins through Himself, sat down at the right hand of the Greatness on high, having become so much better than the messengers, as He has inherited a more excellent Name than them. For to which of the messengers did He ever say, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth”?1 And again, “I shall be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son”?  And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, “Let all the messengers of Elohim do reverence to Him.” Hebrews 1:1-6

“And when He took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the set-apart ones.” And they sang a renewed song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals, because You were slain, and have redeemed us to Elohim by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and made us sovereigns and priests to our Elohim, and we shall reign upon the earth.”… saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb having been slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and respect and esteem and blessing!” Revelation 5:8-10,12

Here’s a list of verses that show that we are to live for and pray to the Father:

“But you, when you pray, go into your room, and having shut your door, pray to your Fatherwho is in the secret place. And your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.” Matthew 6:6

“Therefore do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. This, then, is the way you should pray: ‘Our Father who is in the heavens, let Your Name be set-apart, let Your reign come, let Your desire be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into trial, but deliver us from the wicked one – because Yours is the reign and the power and the esteem, forever. Amĕn.” Matthew 6:7-13

“And whatever you ask (the Father) in My Name, that I shall do, in order that the Father might be esteemed in the Son.” John 14:13

“You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in My Name He might give you.” John 15:16

“And in that day you shall ask Me none at all. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My Name He shall give you. Until now you have asked naught in My Name. Ask, and you shall receive, in order that your joy might be complete. In that day you shall ask in My Name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father on your behalf,” John 16:23 24, 26

“But if any widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to treat their own house reverently, and to repay their parents. For this is good and acceptable before Elohim. And she who is truly a widow, and left alone, trusts in Elohim and continues in petitions and prayers night and day.” 1 Timothy 5:4-5

“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of Elohim, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it shall be given to him.” James 1:5

Draw near to Elohim and He shall draw near to you.” James 4:8

“Drawing near to Him, a living Stone – rejected indeed by men, but chosen by Elohim and precious; you also, as living stones, are being built up, a spiritual house, a set-apart priesthood, to offer up spiritual slaughter offerings acceptable to Elohim through Yahusha Messiah.” 1 Peter 2:4 -6

“If anyone speaks, let it be as the Words of Elohim. If anyone serves, let it be as with the strength which Elohim provides, so that Elohim might be praised in it all through Yahusha Messiah, to whom belong the esteem and the rule forever and ever. Amĕn.” 1 Peter 4:11

The Father and Son are one in thought and actions.

The following verses are used to say that the Father and the Son are one in person. However, they simply mean that they are one in thought and action; as a husband and wife are “one”, yet are still separate beings.

Therefore Yahusha responded and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do none at all by Himself, but only that which He sees the Father doing, because whatever He does, the Son also likewise does.“John 5:19

“I and My Father are one.” Again the Yehuḏim picked up stones to stone Him. John 10:30-31

If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” John 10:37-38

“Because I spoke not from Myself, but the Father who sent Me has given Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.” John 12:49

And I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Set-apart Father, guard them in Your Name which You have given Me, so that they might be one, as We are.” John 17:11

And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me. “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, “I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.” John 17:20-23

What is the role of the Holy Spirit?

There is no Scripture which declares that the Spirit of Elohim is 1/3rd of the godhead. Scripture never declares that it is equal to the Father in power.

Scripture does proclaim that the Spirit of the Father is sent to those who have a covenant relationship with Him through the Son.

“And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever, the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you.” John 14:16

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7

“But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it shall be given to you in that hour what you shall speak, for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking in you.  Matthew 10:19-20

Now יהוה Yahuah is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of יהוה Yahuah is, there is freedom. 2 Corinthians 3:17

Conclusion

There is no Scriptural basis for the concept of the trinity; that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal parts of a godhead.

Scriptures only seem to be congruent when:

You see the Father as the most High God/Elohim;

Messiah as the Father’s first-born, thus He is deity, but He is separate and subservient to the Father;

That the world was created through them;

That Messiah is the image of the invisible Father, who came in the flesh to fulfill His Father’s will, to redeem His set apart people;

And that the (Holy) Spirit of the Father is given to those who have a covenant relationship with the Father through the Son.

Then Messiah’s statements about the Father and His conversations with the Father, seem very normal.

Then Messiah, who is a representation of the Father in the flesh, could be tempted by sin; and could die as the Passover Lamb, and be raised again by the Father.

The Father, Son and Set-apart Spirit are all vital to our salvation; and now hopefully we understand their unique relationship much better.

The Roman Deception

Tertullian, a Latin theologian is credited as being the first to use the Latin words ‘Trinity’ (Latin: Trinitas), ‘person’ and ‘substance’ when he wrote in the early 3rd century, to explain that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as ‘one in essence, not one in Person‘.

The concept of the trinity, of three equal parts of the Godhead, is a creation of Rome; based on the trinity of pagan gods dating back to Babylon.

In 381 A.D., at the Council of Constantinople, the Trinity doctrine controversy was settled: “According to the discipline of the apostles, and the doctrine of the gospel, let us believe the sole deity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, under an equal majesty, and a pious Trinity…” Nicene Council

Emperor Constantine and the antichrist Roman Catholic Church are behind the false trinity doctrine.

Here is the Athanasian Creed, which has been used by Christian churches since the sixth century. It is the first creed in which the equality of the three persons of the Trinity is explicitly stated.

“The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God. So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.” Catholic Encyclopedia

The Holy Trinity image

This is what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, that the Trinity is the very foundation of her whole dogmatic system.

And that is because she is a harlot church, whose teachings are based on the Babylonian Mysteries; thus her title, Mystery, Babylon the Great.

Pagan Trinities

The Babylonian Trinity is Nimrod the Father, Semiramus the Mother, Tammuz the Son.

The Egyptian Trinity is Osiris the Father, Isis the Mother, Horus the son.

The Greek Trinity is Zeus, Athena and Apollo

The Roman Capitoline Triad is Jupiter, Juno and Minerva

The Pre-Islamic Arabian Trinity is Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat

The Hindu Trinity, Trimurti is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva

The Buddhist Trinity is Amitabha Buddha, Mahasthamaprapta and Kwan Tin 600 B.C.

Feel free to share your perspective about this study, as it’s contrary to what most Pastors teach.

David Nikao

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63 thoughts on “The Holy Trinity Deception”

  1. I really like most of what you are saying on your websites, but you really should avoid quoting supporting ministries such as “Worlds Last Chance” with other bizarre beliefs, as it undermines your own credibility.

    “Worlds Last Chance” claim that the earth is flat. Really head in the sand stuff. Both scripture and science say otherwise.

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    • Thank you for your comment Peter! I understand what you’re saying about World’s Last Chance. When I put this study together, they were not promoting the flat earth. Sadly they have embraced that false belief system, which I expose @ http://flatearthdeception.com

      The challenge is that they provide some great video and lessons about the calendar, that just aren’t available elsewhere. I’m looking for other options.

      Keep learning and growing in The Way!
      David

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  2. Elohim is the plural (three or more) of El. In the beginning Elohim created the Heavens and the Earth. All three of the God head were there and They are God.

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    • Sorry, I disagree with your statement and your understanding of Elohim. Please read (from Wikipedia):

      Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים‎ ’ĕlōhîm) is a grammatically plural noun for “gods” or “deity” in Biblical Hebrew. In Modern Hebrew, it is often referred to in the singular despite the -im ending that denotes plural masculine nouns in Hebrew.[1][2]

      It is generally thought that Elohim is derived from eloah, the latter being an expanded form of the Northwest Semitic noun ’il.[3] The related nouns eloah (אלוה) and el (אֵל) are used as proper names or as generics, in which case they are interchangeable with elohim.[3]

      The notion of divinity underwent radical changes throughout the period of early Israelite identity. The ambiguity of the term elohim is the result of such changes, cast in terms of “vertical translatability”, i.e. the re-interpretation of the gods of the earliest recalled period as the national god of monolatrism as it emerged in the 7th to 6th century BCE in the Kingdom of Judah and during the Babylonian captivity, and further in terms of monotheism by the emergence of Rabbinical Judaism in the 2nd century CE.[4]

      The word is identical to the usual plural of el meaning gods or magistrates, and is cognate to the ‘l-h-m found in Ugaritic, where it is used for the pantheon of Canaanite gods, the children of El, and conventionally vocalized as “Elohim”. Most use of the term Elohim in the later Hebrew text imply a view that is at least monolatrist at the time of writing, and such usage (in the singular), as a proper title for the supreme deity, is generally not considered to be synonymous with the term elohim, “gods” (plural, simple noun). Hebrew grammar allows for this nominally plural form to mean “He is the Power (singular) over powers (plural)”, or roughly, “God of gods”. Rabbinic scholar Maimonides wrote that the various other usages are commonly understood to be homonyms.[5]

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    • Does Elohim mean ONE, or TWO, or THREE, And Prove A Trinity?
      There are some who teach that the word for Elohim, means (God’s) instead of GOD.

      “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God,
      the LORD is one.
      English Standard Version.

      They go on to teach that Deuteronomy 6:4, means GOD ALMIGHTY is a Trinitarian concept, “ Tritheism” (three Gods) and therefore the word (Elohim), is evidence proving GOD is a TRINITY.

      These Trinitarians (See video below) who teach this are in fact contradicting the word of GOD and are teaching there are THREE Gods and not ONE.

      I believe this none biased article below will help those who are confused understand the truth.

      God of Israel, with singular verb.
      In the Hebrew Bible Elohim, when meaning the God of Israel, is mostly grammatically singular. Even in Genesis 1:26 “Then God said (singular verb), ‘Let us make (plural verb) man in our image, after our likeness'”, Elohim is singular. Wilhelm Gesenius and other Hebrew grammarians traditionally described this as the pluralis excellentiae (plural of excellence), which is similar to the pluralis majestatis (plural of majesty, or “Royal we”).[11]

      Gesenius comments that Elohim singular is to be distinguished from elohim plural gods and remarks that:

      the supposition that elohim is to be regarded as merely a remnant of earlier polytheistic views (i.e. as originally only a numerical plural) is at least highly improbable, and, moreover, would not explain the analogous plurals (below). To the same class (and probably formed on the analogy of elohim) belong the plurals kadoshim, meaning “the Most Holy” (only of Yahweh, Hosea 12:1, Proverbs 9:10, 30:3 – cf. El hiym kadoshim in Joshua 24:19 and the singular Aramaic “the Most High”, Daniel 7:18, 22, 25) and probably teraphim (usually taken in the sense of penates), the image of a god, used especially for obtaining oracles. Certainly in 1 Samuel 19:13, 16 only one image is intended; in most other places a single image may be intended; in Zechariah 10:2 alone is it most naturally taken as a numerical plural.

      There are a number of notable exceptions to the rule that Elohim is treated as singular when referring to the God of Israel, including Gen. 20:13, 35:7, 2 Sam. 7:23 and Ps. 58:11, and notably the epithet of the “Living God” (Deuteronomy 5:26 etc.), which is constructed with the plural adjective, Elohim Hayiym אלהים חיים but still takes singular verbs.

      In the Septuagint and New Testament translations Elohim has the singular ὁ θεός even in these cases, and modern translations follow suit in giving “God” in the singular. The Samaritan Torah has edited out some of these exceptions.[12]

      11. Gesenius Hebrew Grammar: 124g, without article 125f, with article 126e, with the singular 145h, with plural 132h,145i”
      12. Richard N. Soulen, R. Kendall Soulen, Handbook of biblical criticism, Westminster John Knox Press, 2001, ISBN 978-0-664-22314-4, p. 166.

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    • Are YOU a Catholic as YOU FOLLOW their MAIN trinity doctrine they created?

      The New Bible Dictionary, 2nd edition by J.D. Douglas, page 1221, admits that the doctrine of the trinity does not come from the Scriptures, but from philosophy influenced by paganism.

      The Encyclopedia Britannica, Micropedia Volume 11, page 928, gives us the following facts about the trinity.
      Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4).

      The Religions of Ancient Greece and Babylonia, by A. H. Sayce. pages 229-230, clearly tells us that the Greek philosophical ideas were developed in Alexandria, Egypt from the pagan mystery religions.

      List of Catholic Doctrines.
      1. TRINITY — “The mystery (see Rev. 17:5) of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church. https://sites.google.com/site/christourtruth/list-of-catholic-doctrines

      Very sadly Trinitarians are believing and following a group of monks at the First Council of Nicaea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

      IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’” MATTHEW 15:9.

      The Cathecism of the Catholic Church admits the Church (not the Bible) had to come up with terms of “philosophical” (pagan/Greek) origin to explain it::
      251 In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop its own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin: “substance,” “person,” or “hypostasis,” “relation” and so on (Catechism of the Catholic Church. Imprimatur Potest +Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. Doubleday, NY 1995, p. 74).

      Here is what it is recorded that a one-time Catholic bishop named Marcellus of Ancyra wrote, around the middle of the fourth century, where certain aspects of trinitarianism came from–paganism:
      Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God…These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him ‘On the Three Natures’. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato (Source: Logan A. Marcellus of Ancyra (Pseudo-Anthimus), ‘On the Holy Church’: Text, Translation and Commentary. Verses 8-9. Journal of Theological Studies, NS, Volume 51, Pt. 1, April 2000, p.95 ).

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  3. Thank you for addressing this subject. I have been wary of the Trinity doctrine and only this morning read from another commenter on YouTube a valid, concise argument regarding this matter. Your teaching was anot excellent witness, exactly what I needed.

    The trinity doctrine is as concerning to me as what Catholics do with raiding Mary up as intercessor. There is SO much false teaching in the world, it’s like wading through a cesspool to find truth.

    I’m excited to dig into the rest of your website! May God bless you with great health and joy!

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    • Great question Andreanna! Here are a few Bible versions, which show how they render the verse.

      “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” King James

      “who, being in the form of Elohim, did not regard equality with Elohim a matter to be grasped,” ISR – The Scriptures

      “who, as he was in the likeness of Elohim, did not regard it sinful to be coequal of Elohim.” Aramaic-English New Testament

      The Greek word for equal is isos; similar (in amount and kind):—+ agree, as much, equal, like.

      Messiah is the exact representation of His Father. He is the Word of Elohim. He is one in accord with His Father’s will.

      If he was a mere man, it would be sinful to believe that He is equal to Elohim.

      If he was part of the supposed trinity, then the verse really makes no sense, because He would be equal to Himself.

      Given that many verses proclaim that He existed before His birth as a man, and that He is separate and subservient to His Father; we see that He is deity, He is the exact representation of His Father.

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  4. David, your view is false doctrine. Your primary premise that if the Roman Catholic Church taught it, therefore it is wrong, is a logical fallacy. Your Scripture citations reveal a simplistic and flattened perspective of Scripture. I have had many debates with Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses that used the exact same verses and logic that ‘there is only one God, therefore Jesus can’t be God because He prays to the Father, and it wouldn’t make sense for Him to pray to Himself,’ etc.

    Also, you claim that Jesus is deity, but use a source (“How Many Deities Are In Heaven?”) that argues that Jesus was a created being and is not deity. Furthermore, that same source allows Jesus to receive worship, but how can that be alowed when Jesus says, “it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ” (Luke 4:8, NKJV).

    Understanding the Biblical teaching of the tri-unity of God, however, which demonstrates that there is One Eternally Existing God in Three Persons, equal in essence, but as unique persons with unique roles within the Godhead, the following verses perfectly fit:
    Hebrews 1:6 (NKJV) 6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” (Cf. Luke 4:8 where only God is to be worshiped, and yet here Jesus is worshiped by angels).

    And then in Hebrews 1:8 (NKJV) we see the Father’s own statement of the Son’s identity, “But to the Son He says: ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.'”

    Your view is reactionary (guilt by association with RCs) and simplistic. You’ve tried to fit the eternal God into the simple western logic that if there’s only one God then Jesus can’t be God. There is text after text which demonstrate the full deity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I implore you sir to repent and believe in our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ, the Immanuel (God with us), Who became “sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him” (2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV). I plead with you to reconsider. A false God cannot save!

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    • You are misrepresenting what I have said Bryan. I have not said “if the Roman Catholic Church taught it, therefore it is wrong, is a logical fallacy.” I’ve simply pointed out that some of what they teach is contrary to Scripture.

      My Study Resources about the trinity are just thought, studies that talk about the topic. I did not proclaim that I agree with everything that is said in each source.

      You obviously ignored all of the verses which show that Messiah is separate from His Father, and that He is subservient to Him.

      I plead with you to reconsider, for you are ignoring what Scripture is proclaiming.

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  5. If I could, I’d like to add to your research. I just finished watching a video about how the trinity doctrine is a lie.

    The video I watched is: https://youtu.be/RAIz4ChewTg

    Matthew 28:19 in the Hebrew:
    “Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in My name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you”

    Even though there are no original Hebrew manuscripts in existence today, there were men who saw the original manuscripts and quoted from them. Eusebius quoted the Hebrew of Matthew 28:19 more than 18 times.

    The following are a couple references (not all) from the video:
    http://onenesspentecostal.com/matt2819-willis.htm
    http://bible-researcher.com/comma.html

    Thank you for what you’re doing.

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  6. There is One God, a Spirit, infinite in power(not a trinity, not three) who manifested himself in the flesh, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God. God is a spirit and cannot be seen, therefore when we look at God we see Jesus. Jesus and the Father are one because he is the image of God. (1 Timothy 3:16; Colossians 1:15-16; Deuteronomy 6:4; Exodus 33:20; Genesis 1:2 2; John 10:30, 14:6-9, 4:24, 1:10; Psalm 90:2 Isaiah 45:5 I use kjv, must be correct or it would not be changed so many times) You must be born again John 3:5, Mark 16:17, Acts 2:38 Don’t be deceived into thinking you don’t need to be baptized. He who believes and is baptized will be saved but he who believes not will be damned. Mark 16:16. I’ve heard some say well you don’t need to be, well then, Romans 3:4 Let God be true and every man a liar, and Galatians 3:27 Romans 8:9, Romans 8:11, and 1 Samuel 15:23, John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word
    that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Revelations 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

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  7. Goodness gracious

    Another know it all who makes bold proclamations, doing Satan’s work for him by accusing all of orthodox Christianity.

    Signs of a cult or unstable thinker
    Website littered with End Times explanations.
    Denying the Nature of God
    Accusing the brethren
    And the big one….
    Somehow, Some way, little internet teacher has a special truth that no one gets but him and those he’s duped into thinking they’ve finally discovered the special truth that all us fools cannot see.

    And last…. It’s a Sickening pile of garbage.

    The good part is – I’ve seen these people actually ask God(instead of Tell God) who He is & what the truth is.. and I’ve seen them turn away from absurd speculation, pedantic diatribes on how right they are about everything, being Accusers, to exhibiting the love & Simplicity of Jesus Christ before they are condemned.

    I pray for that

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    • Goodness gracious!

      Another person who only makes accusations, and provides no Scriptural proof that my explanations are wrong. That is the sign of an unstable thinker.

      Orthodox Christianity John? That’s a man-made construct. I just follow the Scriptures.

      I don’t deny anything, I simply posted verses which give the complete picture of the relationship of the Father, Son and Spirit.

      The Father, Messiah and Spirit, all play a role in our redemption.

      The Scriptures that I’ve posted tell the truth. By accusing me, you’re accusing the Scriptures, and thereby denying Elohim.

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  8. Hey David! I love the content on your website – it’s refreshing to read and I have learned a lot from it. In fact, I regularly check in on your site to update myself on the things you are teaching. I have done some studies on the trinity and would love to share some thoughts with you.

    I agree with you: the trinity is a deception created by Rome. Yahuah is the one and only Elohim, and the Holy Spirit is simply His spirit. Where I disagree with you is your statement, “Messiah as the Father’s first-born, thus He is deity, but He is separate and subservient to the Father.” I believe that it is clear through ancient Hebrew tradition/belief and through the Hebrew language in scripture that Yahusha was simply a man, and what set him apart was the fact that he was Yahuah’s begotten son who was born without sin.

    Take a look at Psalm 110:1 NRSV – “The LORD says to my lord, ‘Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.’” This is a Davidic psalm that is also a Messianic prophecy. Yahusha quotes it in Matthew 22:44. I’m sure you know it well. Obviously, LORD is Yahuah. Now the ‘lord’ used for the Messiah is a specific one. The Hebrew language has two words for ‘lord’: ‘adonay’ which is strictly used when speaking to Yahuah only (Lord Yahuah) and ‘adoni’ which is used only for men (lord, or master, or “person of higher authority”). King David wrote, “Yahuah said to my adoni…” In other words, the Hebrew’s always knew that Yahuah was one, and they always knew that their Messiah would be a man. So when the New Testament writers say something like, “our Lord Jesus Christ,” all they mean is that he is in much higher authority than them because he is their King, and not a deity.

    I could say a whole lot more, but there are already many websites with all this information and more! Plus they probably do a much better job at explaining this stuff. One that I like is:

    http://www.biblicalunitarian.com.

    Thanks so much for what you do! I hope you find this information interesting!

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    • Hey Stephen! Thank you for commenting and sharing your insight! I need to update this study, as I’ve found more verses give insight into the relationship of the Father and the Son. I have them posted on my Come Out Of Her website. http://comeoutofher.org/the-holy-trinity-deception/

      Scripture shows that Messiah was the beginning of the creation of Elohim, the first-born of all creation, which proves that Messiah is His Son, His creation; through which this world was created.

      Scripture shows that Messiah was born of supernatural means, not by Joseph, who knew not Mary until after Messiah was born.

      Scripture says that all men are born with sin, as they descend from Adam.

      Scripture shows that Messiah was sinless, so not a mere man.

      Let me know what you think of the Come Out Of Her study.
      Keep learning and growing in The Way!
      David

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  9. In your Biblical “proofs” that the Son of God was created, respectfully, you’ve made a HUGE misquote, and as a result, a very incorrect statement of conclusion: ” . . . who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim, the first-born OF (my emphasis) all creation.” In the NKJV, it states, ” . . . the first-born OVER all creation.” BIG difference. You do go on to use the words “first-born” and “begotten” — which exact words completely contradict your statement that the Son was created. How can a son, born, begotten, be created? Was your own son born, begotten, or was he created? The most (arguably) familiar verse in the Bible, John 3:16, clearly states that the Son was BEGOTTEN. BEGOTTEN is the past tense of BEGET: “(typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.” You also quote verses using “brought forth”, but to bring forth, you must have an origin, a point of beginning: Definition #1: “To produce, bear as fruit — their orchard brings forth magnificent fruit.” Here, the origin was the orchard, trees. (Matthew 7:17: “Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.”) Note the word “bears.” Definition #2: “To give birth. Queen Anne Boleyn brought forth daughters but no male heir.” She BORE daughters. God created everything out of nothing, but in order to have a SON, someone who shares everything with His Father, someone who, if you know Him, you know the Father — He would HAVE to be BORN of the FATHER. Of course, many who believe the Son was created have the typical question: “Where is the mother?” Do you honestly believe that GOD HIMSELF, who created the universe, the angels and humans, Who can do EVERYTHING, needs a woman to bring forth a Son? Of course not. But we don’t know everything about God or how He works, and we don’t need to know HOW this happened, nor did He tell us. We DO know (hopefully) that there is NO SEX in heaven because sex was given to humans to share within the sanctity of marriage and for the purpose of procreation. To ascribe human actions to our God is blasphemous. To bolster your claim that the Son of God was created, you cite Rev. 3:14 which defines the Son of God as the “beginning of God’s creation.” This phrase simply means that the Son was the SOURCE or ORIGINATOR or RULER or AUTHOR of God’s creation, as translated in the NIV, Berean, Christian Standard, Contemporary English, Good News, Holman and other versions. “Waterland defines Arkē (beginning), ‘that is, author or efficient cause’ (Works, vol. 2, p. 53).”—Jerome Smith, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1992), Rev. 3:14.” As rendered in Genesis, both God the Father AND the Son took part in Creation. Genesis 1:26: “Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, . . . “, the plural pronouns indicating Father and Son. No, there is NO trinity — the “Holy Spirit” is the united Spirit of the Father and the Son — their ESSENCE, the “Comforter” promised by Jesus before He ascended to His Father. But Jesus, the Son of God, was NOT created. John 3:16 clearly states that, and “begotten” and “created” are NOT interchangeable or even remotely similar.

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    • Just because the NKJV reads differently, doesn’t mean it’s the better translation.

      The Scriptures (ISR 2009) reads “who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim, the first-born of all creation.”

      The Aramaic-English Bible reads “who is in the likeness of the invisible Elohim and the first-born of all creatures”

      It’s clearly saying that Messiah was created before the world was created, thus he is the first-born of all creatures.

      Regarding the word ‘Begotten’, it’s not contrary to ‘first-born’.

      The Strong’s Greek word is 3439: only-born, i.e. sole:—only (begotten, child).

      Messiah is Elohim’s sole child, his sole created son, who is his first-born.

      I obviously am not proclaiming that Elohim need a woman to create Messiah, or that he had sex in heaven to create Messiah. Don’t be ridiculous!

      Did Elohim not create man from the dust? Can he not create Messiah, as he created the angels? Yes!

      Revelation 3:14 is very clear, Messiah was the first creation, and then with Messiah, Elohim created this world.

      “And to the messenger of the assembly in Laodikeia write, ‘The Amĕn, the Trustworthy and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of Elohim, says this:”
      Revelation 3:14

      “And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, “Let all the messengers of Elohim do reverence to Him.”
      Hebrews 1:6

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  10. If the Trinity is a false doctrine, how can the following verses in John be explained? They seem to clearly state that the Word is Jesus who is God and who made all things in the beginning. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. Verse 2 The same was in the beginning with God. Verse 3 All things were made by him (The Word); and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Further down John 10 reads He (The Word – Jesus) was in the world, and the world was MADE by him, and the world knew him not.

    John 14 reads And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    So to sum up, John 1 Verse 1 states the Word IS God. Verse 3 states all things were MADE by him – speaking of the Word. In verse 10 John the Baptist is speaking of Jesus when he states the world was MADE by him, and verse 14 states that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. The Word is Jesus who dwelt among us and who according to verse 1 is God. Also, in John 14 verse 9 Jesus said he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. Last, Philipians 2:6-8 speaking of Jesus, it states, who though he was in the FORM of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. This article has some interesting points, but the above verses seem to speak for themselves as to Jesus being the Word and to the Word being God. I think there may just be some things we do not fully understand right now, and the bible even speaks about that in 1st Corinthians 13:12 – it reads – For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

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    • Thank you for sharing your insight Julie, you make some great points! I’m not denying the roles of the Father, Son and Spirit; I’m pointing out that they are not three equal parts of the godhead as most Pastors teach.

      Messiah is the Word made flesh, and the world was created through Messiah. But Scripture also shows that Messiah is separate from His Father, and subservient to Him; though one in mindset.

      There’s just some things that we can’t comprehend, as they’re outside of our human perspective.

      Keep learning and growing in The Way!
      David

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  11. Hi David

    Firstly, thanks for your efforts. You have a lot of great information, particularly about Jesuits, Khazars and the Harlot RCC.

    However, this is some dangerous ground you are treading here. Please take this rebuke in the way of Proverbs 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

    The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE. This is not a New Testament only doctrine as many Jews believe, nor is it a Roman Catholic/Zoarastrian doctrine. This is an Old Testament doctrine and if one simply looks it is there the whole time. The angel of the LORD (YHWH), the Spirit of YHWH and YHWH Elohim are mentioned all over the Old Testament, often interchangeably and definitely equally.

    A good example of this is in Exodus 23:20-23

    20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
    21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him.
    22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
    23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

    If you look at the wording, especially in the Hebrew you see an interchange between first and third person, particularly in verse 22 “obey his voice, and do all that I speak”

    This type of thing happens all over the Old Testament, to the extent that Jewish writers in the centuries BEFORE Christ were discussing “the two powers in heaven” and “the two YHWH”.

    On top of this, Jesus/Yeshua/Yahoshua allowed himself to be worshipped on multiple occasions and didn’t rebuke Thomas for calling him God (El).

    John 20:28-29
    28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
    29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.

    If anyone is interested in learning more about how the trinity is an Old Testament idea, Michael Heiser has a great lecture providing tons of Scripture. It is 3 1/2 hours long but extremely edifying.

    Here’s a link to it on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz8J4DTIkEg

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    • Rinon, I appreciate your concern. That said, the Scriptures that I list in this study clearly show that the Father and Son are not the same being, and that Messiah is subservient to the Father.

      Messiah is an Elohim to us, to humans; but Scripture declares that His Father is His Elohim. Messiah deserves to be praised, for He is carrying out His Father’s divine appointments to redeem the set-apart saints.

      John 17:3 declares that the Father is the only true Elohim. “And this is everlasting life, that they should know You (the Father), the only true Elohim, and Yahusha Messiah whom You have sent.”

      1 Timothy 2:5 clearly declares that there is one Elohim, the Father; and one Mediator between Him and men. That makes no sense if Messiah is a separate Elohim being or if He is the same Elohim as the Father. “For there is one Elohim, and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah Yahusha,”

      In Revelation 3:12, Messiah calls His Father His Elohim four times. “He who overcomes, I shall make him a supporting post in the Dwelling Place of My Elohim, and he shall by no means go out. And I shall write on him the Name of My Elohim and the name of the city of My Elohim, the renewed Yerushalayim, which comes down out of the heaven from My Elohim, and My renewed Name.”

      Messiah is the exact representation of the Father, and He and His Father are One in thought, one in the Word. So essentially the disciples saw the Father in Messiah.

      As for Dr. Heiser, he’s either too smart or a deceiver; as many of the things that he teaches are false; including his explanations of prophecy fulfillment. And I’ve seen that he teaches that the earth is flat. https://flatearthdeception.com

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  12. First let’s start with the fact that every human that has been born on this earth is a trinity – spirit, soul and body.
    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    So who is US and after OUR likeness in the above scriptures.

    Second explain this scripture – Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
    How can the son be called the everlasting Father and the mighty God if they are not one in the same

    Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
    One God – not Gods

    Ephesians 4
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    Jesus is the Word that became flesh!

    Jesus said in
    John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

    Jesus claim that he is the “I AM” – is he a liar?
    John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Jesus is the image of the invisible God and the creator of everything
    Colossians 1
    15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    About the Holy Spirit in the Trinity
    Genesis 1:
    1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the waters.
    3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
    4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
    So who is the Creator is it God the Father, the Holy Spirit or the Son Jesus – the answer is all of them because they are ONE
    How can we be a trinity if God isn’t one since we are made in his image.

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    • I printed your verses and points to study it out CJ. That said, how is it that you overlook the clear statements in the verses on this study, such as Revelation 3:12, in which Messiah is speaking?

      “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”

      And 1 Corinthians 11:3?

      “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

      Please explain those verses.
      Thank you,
      David

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      • – Isaiah 9:6 Proves who Jesus is. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
        How can the son be called the everlasting Father and the mighty God if they are not one in the same.
        I hope you know that Lord Jesus existed before he became the son of man and died on the cross for our sins. The whole old testament is about him. He is the one that walked in the garden with Adam and Eve, He is the one that appeared to Abraham and told him he would have a son, he was the 4th one that was in the furnace with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. He is God who knew no sin that became the son of man that died for our sins. So as a son of man he would of prayed to the Heavenly Father. He is now seated on right hand of God the father 100% son of God/son of man in his his glorious body on the throne.
        John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
        14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
        Do you get it now.

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        • CJ, I get that you’ve ignored my questions. How is it that you overlook the clear statements in the verses on this study, such as Revelation 3:12, in which Messiah is speaking?

          “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”

          And 1 Corinthians 11:3?

          “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

          Please explain those verses.
          Thank you,
          David

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  13. Because Christ appeared to John as the son of man in Revelation, just like he did when he appeared to his disciples after he died and risen. The son of man always prayed to his Heavenly Father because he was in human form. The son of man, Lamb of God is seated on the right hand of the Father in his new resurrected body.
    – Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
    How can the son be called the everlasting Father and the mighty God.
    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    Christ is the visible image of the invisible god

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    • You’re missing the clear language, in which Messiah is calling His Heavenly Father, His God, four times!

      And in 1 Corinthians 11:3, Messiah is clearly saying that the Father is head of Him, meaning superior to Him; just like every man is subservient to Messiah.

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  14. No I’m not missing the point, you are missing the point. As a man Jesus always called him father, his GOD.
    So what you are saying is the scriptures I posted are lies. It’s not me that is calling him the Everlasting Father or the Word that became flesh.

    By the way – ELOHIM is a plural word showing more than one person

    Throughout the books of the Old Testament, the LORD appeared to various individuals, dealt particularly and personally with the ancient Israelites, and talked directly (though from the darkness of a cloud or the brightness of a fire) to Moses. This Person who spoke to Adam, to Enoch, and to Moses was the One who later became Jesus Christ.

    John 5 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

    So who was talking to these people in the Old Testament if it wasn’t our Lord. Since nobody has heard the voice of the Father and seen his form.

    I don’t know how in the world you can not see that their are 3 in one God
    Go look in the mirror – you can only see your body you can not see your soul or spirit – but yet they exist.
    We were made in the image of God /ELOHIM – plural

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    • Wow, Messiah is calling His Father His God, and you can’t see that declaration! He is saying that His Father is superior to Him.

      You ignore all of the passages which show how the Son is separate and subservient to His Father.

      You ignore all of the passages which clearly address the Father and Son separately.

      You ignore that the Father and Son have separate thrones, that Messiah is at the Father’s right side, which means that he’s subservient.

      The Father, Son and Spirit, all play a role in our salvation, but they are not three equal parts of a godhead.

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  15. Can’t believe that you are ignoring all scriptures that prove other wise
    So explain the scripture below what it means to you. Because you have yet told me what it means.

    – Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace

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    • CJ, I have to manually approve every comment, as some people are really rude. I’m a busy person, so I had not gotten to your comment yet. I have not replied about Isaiah 9:6, as I’m still reviewing it. I look at the whole body of verses, not just one verse. And there are many on this study which prove that Messiah is separate from His Father and subservient to Him.

      In case you hadn’t notice, there’s some really evil things going on in this world, so I spend my time exposing these things. https://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/covid-19-trojan-horse/

      And I spend my time explaining the fulfillment of Revelation, so that people are not deceived by the enemy. https://revelationtimelinedecoded.com

      I don’t sit around waiting to reply to your latest comment. 🙂

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  16. I’m sorry if you think I’m being rude. I’m just trying to tell you that your teaching that the trinity, the 3 in one God doesn’t exist, is wrong.
    So here is some more scriptures

    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    In this scripture it proves that the 3 are one God

    Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
    If there isn’t 3 person in God then why would we have to be baptized in the name of all of them. Why not just be baptised in just the Father
    Just because the Messiah the “Anointed One” the Son of God and man sits on the right hand of the Father does not mean he is no longer part of the trinity who is God
    The word “trinity” is derived from the Latin word “Trinitas” which is actually a compound word; “trini” means three, and “unitas” means unity. No the word trinity is not used in the Bible. It just means that the 3 the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are united as one as the true living God.
    We have to watch what we are teaching others, because you know what the scriptures say about false prophets and teachers.
    This post is just for you as far as I’m concern. It’s up to you if you want to post it not. Just please be careful in what you are teaching for your own sake.

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    • CJ, your comment proves that you didn’t read, or can’t comprehend, my study, because the section in 1 John 5:7, referred to as “Comma Johannuem”, does not exist in the oldest Greek manuscripts of Aleph, A, B, and the Vulgate. So it’s not a validated text. Just because the King James included it, does not make it valid.

      As for Matthew 28:19, that Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all play a role in our salvation; but that verse does not prove that they are three equal parts of a godhead. That is your false association.

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  17. So what you are saying that Jesus is a liar – because he said he is the “I AM” which is why the Jews wanted him killed. If he is not God then he couldn’t forgive sins while he was on earth, because only God can forgive sins.
    You might want to start at the very beginning of the Bible and start reading because you are totally clueless who Christ was before he became a man and died for the sins of the world.
    Your teaching on this is of Satan, because you are going by the Vulgate the Latin version of the Bible authorized and used by the Roman Catholic Church, which I fine funny and hard to believe since your other teaching are against the Catholic Church – You have denied over and over who Christ is and you can’t explain Isaiah 9:6. Also who gave you authority over what is validated text in the Word of God.

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    • Cj, it’s amazing how you just focus on the Vulgate, and ignore that the other manuscripts which don’t have those words. If anything, the Catholic Church promotes the false trinity doctrine, so they have no reason to cite “Comma Johannuem.” Your statement is illogical.

      I’ve never said anyone gave me authority. I simply share what I’ve found to be truth, and let people decide for themselves. Sadly, people like you are so biased, that you can’t see what the Scriptures on this study are declaring.

      You’ve descended into calling me names and saying that my teachings are of Satan, instead of having a rational discussion. So I am done with this conversation.

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  18. Thank you for remaining patient with your detractors. They always reveal their fruit at some point. Thank you for your earnest desire to reveal truth that has been hidden, or twisted. 😊

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    • Thank you for your comment Susan! I’m happy to have discussions with people, as iron sharpens iron.

      It’s amazing how people come against me, instead of alongside me. And when I don’t agree with their explanation, then they call me clueless, which is funny because I have a lot of websites which teach a lot of truth.

      This study has many verses which declare the relationship of the Father and the Son.

      Here’s the bottom line. The Father, Son and Spirit, are all active in our salvation, and our life. HalleluYah!

      Keep learning and growing in The Way!
      David

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      • YHWH is smiling on your devotion to Him, brother. May your journey continue with His hand of protection over you and your family! 💜 I am glad for the detractors, because it drew me to your covid-19 links, and I am happy to see you have even more truth from THE Most High…and that is a tremendous blessing!

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        • Thank you for sharing Susan! That’s awesome that you were led to the studies, and see truth about the COVID-19 event. Contact me anytime with questions or insight about my studies. Keep learning and growing in the way of YHWH! David

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  19. Your teaching on this is very destructive. For you not to realize that Jesus was God in flesh, proves that you haven’t study the scriptures. The disciples of Jesus even knew who he was and worship him.

    You said – There is no Scripture which declares that the Spirit of Elohim is 1/3rd of the godhead. Scripture never declares that it is equal to the Father in power.

    Read verse 9 in Colossians 2

    2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

    3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

    4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

    5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

    6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

    7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

    8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

    9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD BODILY.

    10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

    HE HIS GOD IN THE BODY! THE ONE THAT BECAME FLESH! THE WORD! THE I AM!

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    • Your teaching is destructive, because you claim that God the Father came and died. But we can see that God the Father tore the curtain in two when Messiah died on the cross. And by that we see that they are separate beings. Messiah is deity, who agreed to come represent mankind, to ratify the everlasting covenant with His blood.

      The verses in this study prove that Messiah is separate from the Father and subservient to Him. Messiah is worthy of our praise, just like the disciples knew.

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  20. David, CJ and Christine have adequately refuted your stance that Jesus, the Messiah, is not God. This subject is actually not difficult to comprehend. God the Father is the head of God the Son, but they, as separate entities, are ONE in the same. They simply have different roles.

    The Bible clearly teaches that it is God that raised Jesus, the Messiah, from the dead, correct? Acts 10:40 reads, Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly… So then, please explain how your stance coincides with John 2:19, which reads, Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

    Jesus, the Messiah, is clearly claiming that he will raise himself up from the dead after his earthly body is crucified. He is clearly claiming something that only God can do but saying, “I will.” Therefore, he is God.

    I said that this is not really a difficult subject to understand, so let me give you this analogy.

    Take the Sun, for example:

    The Sun has three separate attributes, distinct in nature, yet they ALL make up the Sun.

    Mass (God the Father) – The Sun has physical mass, which consists of many elements (e.g. Hydrogen, Carbon, O2, Iron, etc..)

    Light (Jesus the Messiah) – the light emitted by the sun will continuously shine for years to come.

    Heat (The Holy Spirit) – The Sun emits heat that can be felt by every being on the face of the earth.

    Three physical attributes, distinct in nature, yet ALL ONE.

    You cannot remove ANY of these attributes and still call the Sun the Sun. It is impossible.

    The same goes for The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They all are ONE.

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    • Charles, you proclaim that CJ adequately refuted my stance, so I’ll ask you the same questions as I asked him, which he ignored.

      How is it that you overlook the clear statements in the verses on this study, such as Revelation 3:12, in which Messiah is speaking?

      “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”

      And 1 Corinthians 11:3?

      “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

      Please explain those verses.
      Thank you,
      David

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      • David, those verses, in no way, contradict the stance that Jesus, the Messiah, is God. They simply reveal the pecking order (i.e. God the Father is Head of God the Son). However, the verses that CJ and Christine quoted contradict your stance that Jesus, the Messiah, is NOT God.

        You ignore the fact that God the Father, Himself, acknowledges Jesus, the Messiah,as God in Hebrews 1:8:

        But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God (Theos), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

        You ignore the fact that Jesus, the Messiah, was with God in the beginning (God’s living Word) and that the Word become flesh and dwelt among us. How obvious is that? Yet, for some reason, you have the blinders on when it comes to the verses that reveal that Jesus is God the Son.

        Think of it this way: If you had the power to breathe life into your words, so that the actual words that you speak/have spoken came to life as a separate entity, would that life/entity NOT still be you and of you? Would you not still be one in the same? Yet, that living entity, though it is you, does not retain a complete catalog of your thoughts because that entity only speaks the words you give it to speak.

        This is explains why Jesus, the Messiah, does not know everything the Father knows, such as when Christ will return. God the Father has not revealed that or spoken that. Therefore, Jesus the Messiah, cannot know it until the Father is ready.

        Nonetheless, Jesus, the Messiah, is still the living Word of God, which makes him God. To say that Jesus, the Messiah, is not God, is to say that the Word of God is not God.

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        • Agreed Charles, those verses establish the pecking order. The Father is the Most High, who is above all. His Son is deity, but the verses in this study show that He is separate from the Father and subservient to Him.

          You’re misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I teach. I don’t ignore that Messiah was with His Father in the beginning, because Messiah is the Son of God.

          Messiah is the living Word, the Spirit made flesh. Messiah is deity, not just a man. Messiah was sinless, which no man can accomplish.

          But you still ignore that the verses on this study show that the Father is Messiah’s Superior. They are not the same, they are separate; though they are One in mind and purpose.

          It doesn’t change anything as far as their roles in our salvation. We are to obey the Father and pray to Him, and praise Him; and our Intercessor to the Father is Messiah, our High Priest, who is deity.

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          • David, maybe the disconnect here is in the semantics.

            However, it is a little confusing that you don’t find it difficult to agree on the deity of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, since your main argument is that the doctrine of the Trinity is heretical. In your view, the doctrine of the Trinity is polytheistic in nature, correct?

            Assuming that is your position, it would seem, then, that your belief that Jesus, the Messiah, being a deity who is separate from the Almighty God (Elohim), would make your view the polytheistic one; Elohim being the Most High deity, and the Messiah being a subservient deity…but a deity, nonetheless.

            Here’s the thing, terms like “Trinitarian,” “Trinity,” etc, have no bearing on truth. I don’t believe in the (3-separate-Gods) definition that you have ascribed to the “Trinity” doctrine. My belief, which agrees with scripture, is that there is only ONE God who exists in three forms; not three separate Gods. If you truly hold to the belief that Jesus, the Messiah, is a deity, then by definition, and by your stance, you believe in multiple Gods of varying levels of superiority, and that is heretical.

            With my belief, all scriptures that have been posted on this topic can be explained and reconciled with each other. With your beliefs, they cannot be explained; only ignored. Again, the scripture says that God (Elohim) raised Jesus, the Messiah, from the dead after three days. The scripture also says, in the words of the Messiah, himself, that He raised himself from the dead.

            To you, that is a paradox that you have a hard time explaining. For me, it is simple. Jesus, the Messiah, is the “I Am,” even though the (I Am) Messiah says we should pray to the (I Am) Father, Elohim. When Jesus, the Messiah, said “…Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am,” everyone knew exactly what he meant (that He was Elohim), which is why they took up stones to cast at him.

            If Jesus, the Messiah, were here physically now and said those same words, would you want to pick up stones to cast at him? I’d truly love to see your response to this last question, if nothing else. I ask it in all sincerity based on some of your posts.

          • Charles, I did not say that the doctrine of the trinity is heresy. I have not condemned anyone for believing it.

            I’ve simply provided Scriptures which prove that Messiah is separate and subservient to His Father, all of which you ignore.

            And why would I think that the doctrine of the Trinity is polytheistic in nature, since the concept is that the Father, Son and Spirit are three equal parts of the same Godhead?

            I believe that Messiah existed at creation, so why would I have a problem with Messiah saying that He came before Abraham?

            Your explanations are based on false premises. Seek truth, not to defend a belief.

  21. David, do you believe in mathematical axioms such as the Transitive Property of Equality? I’m not a Math guy, but something simple like If a = b and b = c, then a = c is a fairly easy to grasp. This can be applied to many problems and scenarios, including the scriptures. Here’s an example that you may find helpful in understanding the error in your beliefs.

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    If:
    Word = Jesus, the Messiah

    and
    Word = with God

    and
    Word = God

    Then Jesus, the Messiah = God

    and

    God became flesh and dwelt among us.

    If you disregard these scriptures, then you do not accept the truth of the scriptures, unless you’re going to say that these verses are not part of the original text. I hate to say it, but if you deny this, you simply are stiff-necked. I will defend the scriptures and seek the truth.

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    • Charles, it’s sad how you ignore my responses and you keep misrepresenting what I believe. And then you descend into judgment and name-calling. You say things like ‘I will defend the scriptures and seek the truth’ which implies that I don’t.

      We’ll find out who is right when we stand before our Messiah. Thanks for the discussion.
      Keep learning and growing in The Way!
      David

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      • David, the bottom line is that my belief can beat up your belief any day. 🙂

        The truth is – my hope is that my Lord and Savior will not look at me on that day and say, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” I hope whatever work I do, in Christ the Messiah, abides, and at a minimum, that I am saved, yet so as by fire.

        I pray that God (Elohim) uses you to do His righteous work, according to His will. Thank you, too, for the discussion.

        Charles

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        • Wow, I haven’t heard a line like “my belief can beat up your belief any day” since I was in fifth grade. Thanks for making me smile. 🙂

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        • Lol, the bottom line…the truth is you are deceived. The sad thing about deception, is that you don’t know you are in it. Praying YHWH opens your eyes, Charles.
          David, again I encourage you for your commitment to YHWH’s truth…with love.

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          • Thank you for your encouragement Susan! Keep learning and growing in The Way, to travel on the narrow road of truth! 🙂

          • Susan, if I am deceived, then I pray that God crushes my pride so that I can see the truth, sincerely. I just don’t see the truth in what you apparently believe in (regarding this topic) based on the scriptures that I posted regarding God in the flesh. If I’m on my way to hell, as a vessel of wrath fitted to destruction, that’s not where I want to go. Nevertheless, God’s will be done.

          • Its okay, Charles…iron sharpens iron, but this is not a salvational issue…so doom and gloom about ‘hell’ is unnecessary, brother. YHWH chooses whose eyes to open, and when. There is much I dont understand…like FE, but thats okay. He loves that we are seeking Him and His truth. I pray blessings over your household.

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